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Shy
07-23-2004, 07:59 PM
US GRAD SCHOOLS

ADMISSIONS/GRE/TOEFL/ASSISTANTSHIPS THREAD

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Hi guys,

Enakku therinchavanga is planning for MS. But first GRE/TOEFL complete pananum right.. So, I need ur thoughts, directions and any kinda of help on how to prepare for GRE, where we could get most resources and stuff. Also evaloo scores is required for financial aid, entha universities apply panalaam.. eppadi whatever info u can provide!!! :D

Inga irukara super Students please let me know ur thoughts and guidance :)

Thanks in advance

Shy

ps: Shy.. just added a longer title, so others who have questions could use it.. Hope its ok.. :sm35: v-

sri_gan
07-23-2004, 08:05 PM
Yakkoi,

Enakku itha pathi romba ellam theriyathu... anna... Financial aid pathi verify panna intha website ponga...

http://www.online-education-portal.com/Financial-Aid/finance-index.htm

GRE / TOEFL Pathi intha website le irrukathu... athukku koncha naal aagumnu nenaikiren.

Shy
07-23-2004, 08:15 PM
:D mikka nandri sri !!!

That is a great site :b: !!!

Shy

vasan
07-23-2004, 09:15 PM
Some stuff..

TOEFL is a must if you are NOT educated in US/England/Canada/Australia (Native language should be English !). If 'ungallukku therinjavanga' (from now on we will call them UT :wink: ) is educated in India, UT must take the exam.

TOEFL is usually two parts - the standard test, and the TSE (Test of Spoken English). TSE is not mandatory, but would be nice.

GRE is also a MUST. You need to take GRE but AGRE (or Subject GRE) is not required unless UT is planning to study some fields like English or some such.. Ofcourse if UT is planning for MBA, then UT must take GMAT.. !!

All the official information is available at ETS website.

GRE: http://www.gre.org/ttindex.html
Toefl: http://www.ets.org/toefl/

Note that for both the exams the only acceptable picture ID (in India) is the Passport.

What univ to choose, what field to study, how to get some financial assistance etc are too much dependent on UT's academic record, GRE/TOEFL scores, where did UT do his/her undergrad education etc. If UT is living in one of the Metros in India, UT can avail some excellent resources available at the US Embassy.

For more detailed info, we would need more particulars teacher.. :P

Hmm.. Please feel free to ask any other questions too, Teacher. Always available... :P :P

Vasan

ps: mine is an ok school.. chella thambi is in top five.. :P there are others too... Sabeshan and Si (I think!)... Shoot your questions... !!

Shy
07-23-2004, 09:52 PM
Thanks a lot vasan... :)

Hes got 70% . appuram GRE/TOEFL innum yaeluthalai. So I understand about the universities and other stuff related to that depends on his exam right...

BTW no MBA, hes planning to do his MS. So appo TOEFL and GRE matum poothum correcta?

Ok hes from trichy..

Appuram few questions regarding GRE preparation...

(1) Is there any crash course or will it take a year or two to prepare for GRE stuff?
(2) Any great institutes like the IIT or other stuff for entrance exams we used to go :D . hes even ready to go chennai, if required for the courses

Shy

vasan
07-23-2004, 11:10 PM
Sure Teacher, no problem.... :P

First things first - he needs to get his passport. (I got mine, like a week before the last day toapply for GRE on a specific date.. :oops: ) So, if he has his passport, rest of the stuff, is pretty straight forward.

MS... I suppose in engineering. Depending on what branch of engineering, and what specialization he wants to do, he will have to choose his schools. Unless he is from IIT (or REC Trichy, Anna Univ and PSG Tech) it might not be a good idea to apply to Top Schools. If it is for MS any school except top 20 (but in the top 100 list) in his Engg dept is pretty OK. Jobs and future would not be in any trouble.

Preparation for GRE is not that big a deal - I personally don't think any coaching classes are required. Its all so over rated any ways. If he is proficient enough to read and enjoy the Hindu, he is half ready. Rest is realizing that GRE is far too limited in its methods, and practice and picking up the tricks of the trade.

I would suggest getting hold of Barron's (a guide book for GRE, and another one for TOEFL also.. they have both..). I am told now the format is little different from ancient times when I took the test. These guides (preferably the latest or the year before!) should help him enormously. There are two main sections in GRE - Language and math. Math needs speed and a bit of practice. Language would require apart from his normal reading skills - a whole lot of usually new vocabulary skills. Barrons guide is the Bible.. Just do it.. :P :P

A decent 3 months work on these things and taking the six or so test papers in Barrons (with watch and keeping time and all!!) will help him to score well. Really, there is no need to throw good money on these coaching business...

I suggested US Embassy in Chennai, because the USEFI (US Educational Foundation in India) has some useful guidance information on every concievable thing for a student -and the people working there are pretty nice and friendly. Also they have a wonderful library that has catalogs of most of the gradschools in US.

http://usembassy.state.gov/chennai/

Left column of this website you will find links for USEFI and other related info.

Usually a check list would be:

1) Get passport.
2) See what area of studies you wanna do.
3) Pick some 4 or so good universities where you might have reasonable chance of getting admission/assistantship
4) apply for GRE/TOEFL/TSE
5) Prepare and crack them
6) At the time of exam (right after you are done with answering stuff) you will be asked if you wanna score the exam and report the score to any schools. You are give four free choices where you can report your scores. More than that you will have to pay. (thats why I suggested picking up some schools...)
7) Every school and every department worth considering is on the web. Get familiar with some schools.. and what they do, what courses they offer, what sort of research they do and so on..
8) Apply to schools.
9) Pick up a few professors in each school and write to them and ask if they wanna take you as their students. Profs have infinite authority in most schools to do what ever they want concerning student admission. If you can get a prof to commit, then you are done.. :P :P
10) Get visa, land up, do well and live 'happily ever after'...

I realize much of these would sound sort of general and vague. Please feel free to ask any thing specific also. You could ask your friend to write up too.. We should only be more than glad to help out.. :) If he is uncomfortable to ask 'personal' doubts, ofcourse, there is always the private message.. :P

Its a period of mild anxiety - the effort, the unknown and such. But please tell him not to worry. It only appears so - and one month after he is in US he will look back and have a huge grin - if not a hearty laugh at himself.. Not a cake walk, but if he is well prepared, it should be pretty straight forward.

Vasan

Shy
07-24-2004, 02:56 AM
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infinite times :sm03: vasan !!!

Wow, "I" am very clear now on how to proceed on this :D kandeepa it will be very helpful for him !!! Ellam solraen and more important olunga padika solraen :D

he will be getting the passport in a week or so..

Hes planning to write coming october/November.. its ok right??


MS... I suppose in engineering. Depending on what branch of engineering, and what specialization he wants to do, he will have to choose his schools. Unless he is from IIT (or REC Trichy, Anna Univ and PSG Tech) it might not be a good idea to apply to Top Schools. If it is for MS any school except top 20 (but in the top 100 list) in his Engg dept is pretty OK. Jobs and future would not be in any trouble.

Puriyalai vasan?? yaen appadi?? is there anything specific??

Thanks a lot again vasan :D

Shy

RaasuKutty
07-24-2004, 03:45 AM
Hes planning to write coming october/November.. its ok right??


convinient test dates are very tough to get... Now-a-days, univ semester exams too come by Nov.. So he needs to plan well for a date and get that booked...

Its a tight call for preparation... He still has 2-3 months.. he needs to be very focussed...

and, My wishes to him... :D :D

gokulan42
07-24-2004, 04:29 AM
my wishes too :)

Shy
07-24-2004, 04:36 AM
Thanks RK and gokul :D

Cho chweet of you all :D

Shy

Shy
07-24-2004, 04:37 AM
Hes planning to write coming october/November.. its ok right??


convinient test dates are very tough to get... Now-a-days, univ semester exams too come by Nov.. So he needs to plan well for a date and get that booked...

Its a tight call for preparation... He still has 2-3 months.. he needs to be very focussed...

and, My wishes to him... :D :D

Acho sola marathutaen..he just finished his BE.. so sincerea padicha it will be ok right RK?

Shy

yogesh220
07-24-2004, 05:23 AM
oops, seeing this topic just now...Already there are a lot of explanations....anyway, for my part, I did study for the GRE in a coaching class called DATAMATICS, in Chennai...since I was in Chennai it was easy...though I wont say that it was a must, I would say that it definitely helped me a lot...(Actually, naan DATAMATICSla particularaa seera kaaranamee veera, but that is not appropriate here...:wink:)

Further, since he is in Trichi, he can join Visu consultants, a few of my friends(All of them are now in US) studied in there...yeah it is expensive....but it is just better take no chances....

And about the colleges, it is too early to decide, it all depends on the GRE score he gets....if you know what I mean....and if he joins VISU consultants, he will get a good guidance on the selection of colleges tooo....hey I am not campaigning for VISU, just my opinion...

Again, Barrons is the Godfather.....BARRONS HOW TO PREPARE FOR THE GRE...is a must for any GRE aspirant....

and after that, there are a lot of practice available(Computer based) taking that would help a lot.... in GRE, PRACTICE MAKETH PERFECT....Good luck...

Shy
07-24-2004, 02:06 PM
Thanks pa yogi :D

That is helpful... visu consultants pathi solraen.. yes I understand that GRE score vachundu thaan we can decide further, so let him concentrate on that first :D

:evil: olunga padika sonna... DATAMATICSkku actualla ponna reason vera irukka.. mm.. irukkum irukkum..

Shy

RaasuKutty
07-24-2004, 02:11 PM
Hes planning to write coming october/November.. its ok right??


convinient test dates are very tough to get... Now-a-days, univ semester exams too come by Nov.. So he needs to plan well for a date and get that booked...

Its a tight call for preparation... He still has 2-3 months.. he needs to be very focussed...

and, My wishes to him... :D :D

Acho sola marathutaen..he just finished his BE.. so sincerea padicha it will be ok right RK?

Shy

That should be a good time then...

Shy
07-24-2004, 03:35 PM
Also oru question for all of you.. may be ithai pathi appuram worry panalaam.. but just thought of asking u now itself...

I hear peopel saying that USla unnoda family, relatives irukaangala kaepaanga, appo if they say yes, its hard to get student visa. Poi sonaa, if they find that out appuram ennum problem varum right...

Hope many of u guys had close family and relatives here, eppadi handle paneenga???

Thanks

Shy

yogesh220
07-24-2004, 05:09 PM
hear peopel saying that USla unnoda family, relatives irukaangala kaepaanga, appo if they say yes, its hard to get student visa. Poi sonaa, if they find that out appuram ennum problem varum right...


Its news for me....I have never heard of such kind of question...anyway, if they find out ellaaam, chummaaa...do you think they have no better thing to do, than bugging a student... once he had got his stamps, nobody is gonna worry about him...until his visa expires....if you know what I mean....

but I know I am not veyr much helpful in this query since I have never heard of such thing.....I remember putting that I have no relatives here in US in some visa app, but that was a fact....sorry for not being useful...

vasan
07-24-2004, 06:05 PM
Teacher,

Yes.. Oct/Nov is the best date. Also remind him to write a preapp (a pre-application form) which is like a short resume and send it to schools requesting their brochure and Grad School admission forms. Its kinda should be done soon, as it will take a while to get them.

He needs to finish up his applications latest by december (ideally). So people will have time to look at it. Usually they have a clear idea of how much money they will have (schools and profs!) by then for the next academic year, and they will start looking out for new students.. Early birds, as always, catch the worm...

Later than Jan is really late.. Also processing visa etc by the school takes a bit of time.. so its better to be early.. Okvaa?

This time schedule is meant for Fall season - which is when most admissions take place. All schools with sem system start their fall quarter late august and the schools with quarter system start during mid sept..

More later,

vasan

ps: You are very welcome teacher... Glad to be off help.. if you have more questions too, please ask.. any time... :P :P good luck to your friend..

yogesh220
07-24-2004, 07:59 PM
Vasan, on a note, I dont think early bird catches the worm....since most of the colleges have a stipulated last date for receiving the application and the review of the apps starts only after the date and most schools does not entertain applications after that...correct me if I am wrong....(But I am sure that is what happens in my univ..)...

But I agree with the Preapp part.

I would also suggest him to get in touch with some of the professors of the colleges whose reserch projects interests in the colleges which he is tentatively going to apply to....just let the prof know that there is this boy existing and is interested in doing a project in his lab.. Take it from me, this really helps....:)

madhu_aish1
07-24-2004, 08:18 PM
Wow !!! Vasan Teacher has explained every nuances to get admission . I cant even throw my few cents here..

Anyways TOEFL and GRE are mandatory and its good sense to wrtie your TWE if yur UT is going to pursue a PhD after M.S ..

When it comes to admission in schools .. the general equation works Top Tier from Indian schools get admission in top 10 in US and so on . Its just that admission committee is ignorant about the presence of other schools ;( . GRE and Grades are basically threshold for any school admission policies . Your resume and recommendation letter comes to play later . It very crucial to decide on whom to get the letter of recommentation . You have to go with the odds.

Funding Phew !!! Fellowships and Departmental Funding are granted only for 10 % of the admitted students and likely to be given to IITians . Its very wise to contact the prof in your field of interest to establish a rapport. There is a very high possiblity you may end up with funding.

PS : its not advisable to choose security , core network as your domain because it requires security clearance and other admistrative procedures in the future . Just a line ... ;)

Hope I had something to offer.

Madhu

suryan
07-24-2004, 08:47 PM
Shy, I dont know much abt the GRE/GMAT stuff.. so, cant say much..

as far as I know, it seems the questions during the visa interview would be a bit tricky. But every answer would have to give them a guarantee and justification that you will NOT be staying (permanently) in the US after your studies. So, as long as the student gives that impression, student visas would be easier without any disappointments. With respect to that specific question, if he has any (close) relatives, let him mention it to be on the same side. It seems not-mentioning-it-and-finding-out-later would be a bigger problem. I dont think you need to mention relatives like "onnu-vitta periyappavoda akka payyan" and all.. ;-)

Nowadays, with the visa hue and cry from the US, getting a student visa could be difficult. So, ask him to be mentally prepared for anything. Also, ask him to write his GATE. There are some very good institutes in India viz. IISc, Anna University, IITs, BITS etc. for post graduate studies. Ask him to chk them out.

Shy
07-25-2004, 08:54 PM
:sm03: :sm03: :sm03: :sm03:

Thanks yogesh.. just heard it from one other friend of mine, athaan kaetaeen.. but i understand ur point :D

Vasan...thanks much, i am learning a lot from u all :D.. preapp pathi solraen.. Any more will sure come and bug u all :D

Madhu, thanks da.. sure will do.. appuram professors contact pannina nalathu solra.. how will he know .. websitela prof info , i mean email contact ellam irukuma?? is that what ur saying???

Suryan, thanks much.. yes i too thought better be honest than get caught later. iruntha solavendiyathu thaan right :D . Yes, also told him to have his other options open too... :D

Thanks again u all :D

Shy

madhu_aish1
07-25-2004, 09:05 PM
yep kaaa...

School Websites will have a general compilation of all the Professors info. The template would be same .. i mean it would be like a resume of all the Prof's current research and investigations. The best and the simple way of contacting a prof is by email . He/she is busy enough to attend calls. If your bro is interested in a particular professor then he might do more hunting like finding out the students working under him and establishing contact with him/her ;) .

Hope it helps

Shy
07-26-2004, 02:49 AM
Thanks madhu !!! :D

Shy

vasan
11-10-2006, 07:19 AM
Just bumping this thread up. Need to add some more things on Assistantships and other related info. :b:

Vasan

ps: Teacher, I just edited the thread title to read as US Grad School Admissions (GRE/TOEFL/Assistantships).. Hope you won't mind.. :sm08: :sm03:

vasan
11-10-2006, 07:24 AM
will write more tomorrow.. ippo half asleep.. :ee: :Ksp:

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Shy
11-10-2006, 03:03 PM
No problem at all Vasan :sm08:

Thanks to you !!!

Shy

sanravi_1970
11-29-2006, 01:49 PM
Vasan

Ur information to shy was very useful to me too

actually i have dun masters in biochemistry and i tried for job here even though i am eligible to work in US legally but i didnt get any job, currently i am working as a volunteer.
so i thought of doing MS or to work as a research associate in any universities.
i kept on mailing to diff professors in diff universities but everyone said they had no openings
one of my friend who s doing MS (engg) after completing GRE said that i have to go personally and meet people for any opportunities.
Also i tried to prepare for GRE but i am vey poor in math, my hubby helped me teaching, but my pick up is so slow, i think i have to practise a lot, only then i can answer all the tricky questions being asked n the exam within the time.
Hmmmm now i am not pracitising it :-(

can u suggest me any ideas related or apart from this, i feel watever i have studied is getting wasted. somehow or the other i have to study here or work.

I appreciate response from others too!!!!!

thanks

Idiot
11-29-2006, 02:44 PM
Vasan,

Even I am waiting for you to complete and ask to disturb u further.
If you can give some more info rather than masters and also for further studies, assisstanship, time of application and all other useful info will be very helpful :ee:

Waiting for you to complete. :sm08:

ns80
11-29-2006, 03:07 PM
Sanravi,
what is the current educational qualification you have so far ? and what field are you interested ? are you a perm resident or in some non-immigrant visa status ? you MS in Biochem, did you do it in the US ?

sanravi_1970
11-29-2006, 05:31 PM
IIG..

Apart from masters, i have a year of research experience where i did only basic research, so not even fully involved, i didnt learn much of the techniques too.
Initially i thought of doing Ph.D but now since i am married i have look up my family, so i feel doing PhD is difficult,cos u have to keep on thinking abt ur work rather than ur home.
so i thought of just doing as an assistanship initially and if i feel comfortable i thought of proceeding further. also wen i do the assistanship, my guide may let me to do lots of work so that i can learn a lot and get in touch with techniques and other stuffs.

i dont know wat else i shd furnish
if u have any questions apart from these specifially, pls let me know, i will answer them.

thanks






Vasan,

Even I am waiting for you to complete and ask to disturb u further.
If you can give some more info rather than masters and also for further studies, assisstanship, time of application and all other useful info will be very helpful :ee:

Waiting for you to complete. :sm08:

sanravi_1970
11-29-2006, 05:35 PM
hi ns80

My Current qualification is M.Sc Biochemistry and that i did in india. i neither have work exp or nor have studied here in US.
also i m not a permanent resident, jus came 1 yr back.I am in H4 where i am permitted tos tudy na dnot to work, if i need to work i will not be paid.
I am basically interested n life science stream, so i can switch to biotech also.

thanks


Sanravi,
what is the current educational qualification you have so far ? and what field are you interested ? are you a perm resident or in some non-immigrant visa status ? you MS in Biochem, did you do it in the US ?

vasan
11-29-2006, 06:34 PM
Will write back more later today people. Sorry for keeping you waiting.. :ee:

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Minnie
11-30-2006, 07:38 PM
how did i miss this post now :oops: :oops:

thanks a lot for the info:D

vasan
11-30-2006, 07:42 PM
Minnal..

Subscribe to this thread and keep an eye on it. You might find some useful info soon. :wink: :b:

v-

sanravi_1970
12-02-2006, 12:02 AM
why nobody is giving me any suggestions, waiting for ur replies pa

Minnie
12-02-2006, 12:07 AM
Minnal..

Subscribe to this thread and keep an eye on it. You might find some useful info soon. :wink: :b:

v-

Oh sure thaatha :D

Idiot
12-02-2006, 10:32 AM
why nobody is giving me any suggestions, waiting for ur replies pa

San, I think you misunderstood my post above. I was asking in general for further studies like Ph.d. after Masters for some useful souls like me. :ee:

And I am also eagerly waiting for more details regarding US as i am as of now no way connected to US studies :wink:

Sorry I cannot help. May be few can give you few tips. :b:

All the very best. :b:

ns80
12-02-2006, 01:14 PM
Sanravi,
Actually I dont have much idea related to your stream. I remember hearing from my friend that one person did a MS in Physics in US, she already had a MSc Physics in India.

The best solution for your situation is to explore the universities in the city you live. First see the requirements for Biology, Chemistry, Chemical Engineering Departments (I mean GRE, TOEFL, acads etc). Since you've just lived a year in the US, TOEFL would be required I suppose. It is mostly the state universities that have funds for assistantship, and I dont know if state universities accept admissions without a GRE score. Am not sure specifically for Life Sciences, you should check the specific university websites.

Once you have a fair list of universities, you can schedule an appointment with the graduate coordinator and few professors matching your interest and talk to them about your admission (spec requirements, is there any requirement that can be waived or whatever). After you do some talking you'll have a better idea than what you feel now as for your next plan of action (whether to take GRE or not/TOEFL or not / directly apply).

I remember a site gradschools.com that has a list of univs that offer graduate programs. There are a lot more sites if you google.

thatha (vasan) will have a better idea, he is from CA where H4 -> F1 is not a new thing.

sanravi_1970
12-03-2006, 02:04 AM
San, I think you misunderstood my post above. I was asking in general for further studies like Ph.d. after Masters for some useful souls like me. :ee:

And I am also eagerly waiting for more details regarding US as i am as of now no way connected to US studies :wink:

Sorry I cannot help. May be few can give you few tips. :b:

All the very best. :b:

ok iig, thanks. :-)

sanravi_1970
12-03-2006, 02:05 AM
Sanravi,
Actually I dont have much idea related to your stream. I remember hearing from my friend that one person did a MS in Physics in US, she already had a MSc Physics in India.

The best solution for your situation is to explore the universities in the city you live. First see the requirements for Biology, Chemistry, Chemical Engineering Departments (I mean GRE, TOEFL, acads etc). Since you've just lived a year in the US, TOEFL would be required I suppose. It is mostly the state universities that have funds for assistantship, and I dont know if state universities accept admissions without a GRE score. Am not sure specifically for Life Sciences, you should check the specific university websites.

Once you have a fair list of universities, you can schedule an appointment with the graduate coordinator and few professors matching your interest and talk to them about your admission (spec requirements, is there any requirement that can be waived or whatever). After you do some talking you'll have a better idea than what you feel now as for your next plan of action (whether to take GRE or not/TOEFL or not / directly apply).

I remember a site gradschools.com that has a list of univs that offer graduate programs. There are a lot more sites if you google.

thatha (vasan) will have a better idea, he is from CA where H4 -> F1 is not a new thing.

ns...thanks for ur reply, my final decision as of now is i have to go to nearby univ and enquire in person...only then i can get some idea as u say...

subrabidha
06-24-2010, 12:26 PM
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