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Shy
12-14-2004, 09:49 PM
Vanakkam everyone :)

This is a debate headed by Solomon ji on TV long back. Thought we could debate over it and have some fun :D So here it goes :)

Indriya Nilaiyil Athigam Allal paduvathu Aangala allathu Penngala

Rules

2 teams:

TEAM A representing "Its Women"
TEAM B representing "Its Men"

Please let us know which team you wish to be part of.

Members within ur team can choose ur captain :)

Members of the public who do not wish to be part of any of the teams can comment as we progress.

1. Dont be personal. Ur posts will be edited !!
2. If the posts from participants are alternate, it would look good. So, try to give atleast 5 minutes before the other team responds.
3. Other team members can help the supposed poster with tips and suggestions using PM

Debate ends next friday Dec 24th :)

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Will be updating the members list here

Ok so far guys...

TEAM A- Its women
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Vasan
Shy
Suha
Shiam_Saran
aswin

TEAM B-Its Men
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Silican
PK
GCB
Anainar
Sri

Spectators/Neutral
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Sweet Lotus
ChitraCheenu
Gokul

Shy

silican
12-14-2004, 10:03 PM
Idhu madhiri Topic ellam enakku kasakkuma :) Kalanthukkaren. My vote for Team B. Come on "paava patta aan varga thozhargale" just to motivate you:

எனக்கொரு உண்ம தெரிஞ்சாகண ும் (http://www.geetham.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13654)
New Evening classes for Men!!! (http://www.geetham.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13665)
Wanna kill your hubby ;) (http://www.geetham.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7781)

- Silican

Bluelotus
12-14-2004, 10:06 PM
wanna be an active spectator :ee:
but akka :oops: what does it mean: "Athigam Allal paduvathu"

blue.

Shy
12-14-2004, 10:14 PM
Sweet lotus,

Athigam alla paduvathu'na - "romba pavapatta jenmam", "romba kashta padrathu yaaru" epppadi solalaam.. why just spectating.. yaen participate panalaamae :)

Shy

Bluelotus
12-14-2004, 10:17 PM
thanx akka
time illai akka :wink: otherwise I sure would have :D

blue.

vasan
12-14-2004, 10:34 PM
Ippo mattum illai.. eppavume Pengal thaan.. ithilenna sandhegam??

keep me in this team please.. :wink:

v-

Priyanka
12-14-2004, 10:56 PM
Naan team B la sernthukkaren. Chumma pengalukke sadhagama vadhadi vadhadi bore adichiricchi. So for a change namma annan/thambimargalukku sadhagamaa vaadhada poren.

என்றைக்கும ் அதிக அல்லற்படுவ து ஆண்களே! ஆண்களே!! ஆண்களே!!!

Priyanka
12-14-2004, 11:04 PM
side track!

வாசன்! ஒண்ணு கேட்டா தப்பா எடுத்துக்க மாட்டீங்கள ே! Invariably நம்ப g-team uncle-மார்கள் :ahha: எல்லாரும் "women are evil"-ன்னு வாதாட்றவங் க! என்னவோ பொம்பளைங்க அத்தனை பேரும் தாடகை சூர்ப்பனகை மாதிரி. இவங்கள்ள நீங்க மட்டும் எப்படி வித்யாசமா இருக்கீங்க ? :think: லாடீஸ்க்கு சப்போர்ட் பண்ணீ பேசறீங்க? சும்மா தெரிஞ்சுக் கலாமேன்னு தான் கேட்டேன்

chitracheenu
12-14-2004, 11:11 PM
Shy!!! Thiripiyum Oru Naradar Topic thodangivittatha.. I want to be Neutral as I have seen many cases where both aankal and penkal are really allal paduvathai..

CC :D

vasan
12-14-2004, 11:21 PM
side track!

வாசன்! ஒண்ணு கேட்டா தப்பா எடுத்துக்க மாட்டீங்கள ே! Invariably நம்ப g-team uncle-மார்கள் :ahha: எல்லாரும் "women are evil"-ன்னு வாதாட்றவங் க! என்னவோ பொம்பளைங்க அத்தனை பேரும் தாடகை சூர்ப்பனகை மாதிரி. இவங்கள்ள நீங்க மட்டும் எப்படி வித்யாசமா இருக்கீங்க ? :think: லாடீஸ்க்கு சப்போர்ட் பண்ணீ பேசறீங்க? சும்மா தெரிஞ்சுக் கலாமேன்னு தான் கேட்டேன்

அங்கிள்ஸ் எல்லாம் பெண்களின் கொடூரம் பத்தி பேசலாம்.. ஆனா தாத்தா பெண்களுக்க ு எப்பவுமே சப்போர்ட்.. :P

அது மட்டுமில்ல .. தாத்தா எப்பவுமே உண்மைய மட்டும் தான் பேசுவார்.. அறிவு, அனுபவம்,இத வச்சு நிதானமா யோசித்து எது சரியோ அதைமட்டும் சொல்லுவார் .. சுருக்கமா சொன்னா நம்ம திருவள்ளூவ ர் மாதிரின்னு வச்சுக்கோங ்களேன்.. :ahha:

வாசன்

silican
12-15-2004, 02:07 PM
இவங்கள்ள நீங்க மட்டும் எப்படி வித்யாசமா இருக்கீங்க ? லாடீஸ்க்கு சப்போர்ட் பண்ணீ பேசறீங்க? சும்மா தெரிஞ்சுக் கலாமேன்னு தான் கேட்டேன்

:sm06: :sm06: போக போக தெரியும்...
இந்த வாசன் வசனம் புரியும்... :sm06: :sm06:

suha
12-15-2004, 02:49 PM
:b: Thats my tha tha chellam... :sm05:

aama....I'm which team??? :Ksp: ...acho naan akka kuda irrundukurrein pa... :P

goodcomplanboy
12-15-2004, 03:25 PM
Team B, obviously.

ஆண்களே என்ற அணியில் நானும் ஒரு உறுப்பினர் . ஆண்கள் அநுபவிக்கி ன்ற கஷ்டங்கள் எத்தனை தெரியுமா???

அதை எல்லாம் நாங்கள் வரிசை படுத்தி கூறுவோம் பாருங்கள்...

anainar
12-15-2004, 03:43 PM
அது வந்து ஒண்ணும் இல்லை பிகே! தாத்தா எப்பவுமே ஐந்தாம் படை. அது தான் எதிரணிக்கு சப்போர்ட் எப்பவும். இல்லாட்டி பாட்டி வெத்திலை மடிச்சு குடுக்க மாட்டா. அது தான் காரணம்.

நாங்க உண்மை தான் பேசுவோம். அச்சமில்லை அச்சமில்லை அச்சமென்பத ில்லையே, உச்சி மீது வான் இடிந்து வீழுகின்ற போதிலும் அச்சமில்லை அச்சமில்லை அச்சமென்பத ில்லையே.

இப்பவே தெரிஞ்சு இருக்கும் நான் எந்த கட்சின்னு. தெரியாட்டா கேளுங்க, அப்புறம் விளக்கமா சொல்றேன்

Cheers

Shy
12-15-2004, 04:36 PM
:) Naradar'a yaar athu CC, cha cha enna poonga naan yaethoo innocenta oru topic poota eppadi solreengalae ;)

Ok so far guys...

TEAM A- Its women
=============

Vasan
Shy
Suha
Shiam_Saran


TEAM B-Its Men
==========

Silican
PK
GCB
Anainar
Sri

Spectators/Neutral
============

Sweet Lotus
ChitraCheenu

Suha, akka entha teamnu nokku theriyaathoo.. always women thaanae support panuvaen :D

Shy

goodcomplanboy
12-15-2004, 04:54 PM
:( Shy ennai yen entha team'leyum sekkale :cry: :cry: Naan thaan Team B'nu sonnen ille. Paarunga best example for "Aangal allal paduvathu" :(

Shy
12-15-2004, 05:08 PM
:( Shy ennai yen entha team'leyum sekkale :cry: :cry: Naan thaan Team B'nu sonnen ille. Paarunga best example for "Aangal allal paduvathu" :(

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Infinite times sorry GCB, padichaen, adikarchae theriyaama miss poitaen... Eppo edited...

Ada paavi, udanae cycle gapla unga teamkku use panreengala.. vida mataen...

Ellarum kaetukoonga, ithu thaan best example, intha guysae eppothum eppadi thaan.. oru ponnu theriyaama thappu panitaa poothum, athai oothi, perusaaki... aiyoo eppadi girls guysa allal paduthuraanganu soliduvaanga... cha paavam theriyaama thappu panitaanu othukavae mataanga :evil: :evil:

Shy

Priyanka
12-15-2004, 05:22 PM
Shy avarkale! Thangkal kootrai ennaal yerka mudiyaathu. Ondrum illaathathai oodhi perisaakkuvathu enpathu pengalukke uritthaana gunam. Paavam pasanga appaavinga.

Uralukku oru pakkam idinna matthalatthukku rendu pakkamum idi. Aangalukku veettulaiyum idi, office-laiyum idi. Office pona Boss-oda thollai, veettula pona sadhaa ammaavukkum pondaattikkum naduvula maattindu muzhikkanum. Aagave aangale adhigam avadhi padubavarkal.

Shy
12-15-2004, 05:27 PM
Shy avarkale! Thangkal kootrai ennaal yerka mudiyaathu. Ondrum illaathathai oodhi perisaakkuvathu enpathu pengalukke uritthaana gunam. Paavam pasanga appaavinga.

Uralukku oru pakkam idinna matthalatthukku rendu pakkamum idi. Aangalukku veettulaiyum idi, office-laiyum idi. Office pona Boss-oda thollai, veettula pona sadhaa ammaavukkum pondaattikkum naduvula maattindu muzhikkanum. Aagave aangale adhigam avadhi padubavarkal.

Angayae thappu.. athu enna aangalna matum mathaalam.. appadi partha.. oru ponnukku irukara ellam sideum adinu naan solvaen... officelaiyum, veetulaiyum, athuvum unga veedu enga veedu ellai.. ava amma veedu, in laws veedu, nathanaar veedu, anna veedu, thambhi veedu, evanga veedu avanga veedu, each and every one talk as they wish and its the huge responsibility of the lady to please everyone in the family...

Shy

suha
12-15-2004, 06:32 PM
:yes: appadi poddu....akka.... :P

aama aama...ponnungha thaan paavam... :(

edhumei freedom illa....adhulla verra.....idha saiyakudadhu adu saiya kudadhunru kutram :Ksp:

ellamei indha pasanga nala thaan :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

ps: indha topic la nirriya evil varapogudhu haiyaaaaaaaaaaa :dance:

Shy
12-15-2004, 06:51 PM
:yes: yes suha.... debate for women sencha mathiriyum aachu, namba fav smiley count increase pana mathiriyum aachu .. orae kallula rendu maanga :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:

Shy

sri_gan
12-15-2004, 07:05 PM
Vanthuten naan vanguna villaikku..... Ofcourse its Men....

Ithule enna santhegam....



Sweet lotus,

Athigam alla paduvathu'na - "romba pavapatta jenmam" , "romba kashta padrathu yaaru" epppadi solalaam.. why just spectating.. yaen participate panalaamae



Mela nalla padinga... especially bolded area.... Yaarala antha varathaiya solla mudiyum????

Ithukku naan pathil solla venidyathu illa... ungalukke therinchirukkum....

Intha Vasan tha tha eppavume ippadi than... "Maha Nadigan" padathula oru spuer dialogue varuthu... climax varum pothu... :sm12: athu unmai than.....

silican
12-15-2004, 07:53 PM
Yenga mamanar Veedu, Naathanar veedu, Kozhundhanar veedu ellam oru Allal'nu solla vandhuttenga. :sm18: kashtam kashtam :doh:


பசங்களால நிம்மதியா ஒரு பஸ் எற முடியுதா ? பிதுங்கற கூட்டம், நெரிசல், வேர்வை..ஃபு ் போர்டிலியே தொங்கிக்கி ட்டு போகணும். பொண்ணுங்கள ுக்கு இதெல்லாம் உண்டா ? பஸ் ஏறினோமா, அங்க லேடிஸ் சீட்ல எடம் இல்லனா ஜெண்ட்ஸ் சீட்டு..ஒரு பய கேக்க மாட்டான். கேட்டுட்டா , அந்த பொண்ணு கைய தொட்டான் கால தொட்டன்னு சவுண்டு போட்டு அவனுக்கு தர்ம அடி வாங்கி கொடுத்துரு ம். பஸ் கெடைக்கலைய ா ? வீட்டுக்கு வா மகளே.. வீட்டுல தான் "அம்மா" ஆட்சி ஆச்சே..இருக கவே இருக்கான் கூட பொறந்தவன் (டேய் ஒதவாக்கர போயி உங்க அக்கா/தங்கச்சிய டிராப் பண்ணிட்டு வா), ரிட்டயர் ஆன அப்பா ("ஆமாம், இப்போ நீங்க பேப்பர் படிச்சா தான் நாளைக்கு மன்மோகன் சிங்குக்கு பட்ஜட்ல ஐடியா கொடுக்க முடியுமாக் கும்..எந்தி ிச்சி போயி இவள உட்டுட்டு வாங்க. டிபன் எடுத்து வைக்கிறேன் .."அதாகப்பட்ட து வேலைய செஞ்சா சோறு..இல்லன இன்னிக்கு சிங்கி நாளைக்கு சங்குடி ஒனக்கு)
சரி வீட்டுல இதுமாதிரி யாரும் இல்லையா..கவ ையே வேணாம். 500 ரூவாஇக்கு ரெண்டுன்னு வாங்கின செல் இருக்குமே, எடுத்து கம்ப்யூட்ட ர் க்ளாஸ்க்கு வருவானே ஒரு ஜொள்ளு ஜனார்த்தனன ்..அவனை கூப்பிடு. "ஹாய்..குட் மார்னிங்..ஹ ஹி (இந்த ஹி ஹி ரொம்ப முக்கியம். இதுல அடிபடாதவன் ராக்கெட் சயன்ஸ், அணுகுண்டு ஆராய்ச்சின ்னு யேதாவது பெரிய லெவெல்ல குழம்பி போயிருக்கண ும்) அடுத்த பத்தாவது நிமிஷம் 'தல' பல் வெளக்காட்ட ியும் வாய்க்குள் ள டியோடரண்ட் அடிச்சிட்ட ு, தலைல தண்ணி ஊத்தி சீவி சிங்காரிச் சிக்கிட்டு ஓ.சி யமஹா'ல பஸ் ஸ்டாப்'ல பிரேக் அடிப்பான். இதெல்லாம் த்ரிஷா, அசின் மாதிரி பொண்ணுங்கள ுக்குன்னு மட்டும் நெனச்சிராத ீங்க. நெத்திலேர் ந்து ஒரு முடி முகத்துல விழற மாதிரி ஸ்டைலோட இருக்கற எந்த பொண்ணுக்கு ம் பொருந்தும் .

இந்த "சலுகை" வசதி எல்லாம் பசங்களுக்க ு உண்டா ?

காத்தால எந்திரிக்க ும் போதே இவ்வளோ அல்லல்'னா அப்போ மீதி நாளைக்கு :00:

- சிலிக்கன்

goodcomplanboy
12-15-2004, 07:56 PM
vaanga sri_gan avargale. Engal aniyil sernthatharkkaaga metha magizhchi.



Ellarum kaetukoonga, ithu thaan best example, intha guysae eppothum eppadi thaan.. oru ponnu theriyaama thappu panitaa poothum, athai oothi, perusaaki... aiyoo eppadi girls guysa allal paduthuraanganu soliduvaanga... cha paavam theriyaama thappu panitaanu othukavae mataanga


Shy, ungalukku theriyum, yaaru intha maathiri siriya vishayathai ellam perusaakuvaanganu. If I were a women and if I was left out from the team. Inneram neraya :evil: symbol pottu, satham pottu, thappu pannina aambalaya oru vazhi panni iruppen. Athukku support'kku vera neraya peru vanthu irupaanga :sm12:.

Aana ungalukku antha maathiri allal vara koodathunnu, amaithiya rendu varile ennodaya sogathai veli paduthina athai ippadi perusa pottu thittureengale nyayama. Ithuvum oru example thaan :(

shiam_saran
12-15-2004, 10:41 PM
Enna silican.. unga sidekku.. summa alli vittukitai poreenga.. Unga storykai varum..

1. Buslai kututathil. foot board lai ninukittu porathu kastama?... Hmm sollunga.. buslai naduvulai naraya edum irunthum ullai poga mateenga.. ellam style.. appadiye thongittu porappo.. oru santhosam ungallukku.. veera vilayattu.. ladies impress pannaruthukku oru vazhi.. avalavu thaan..

Naan accept pannikirain.. girlskku bus lai reserved seats irrukku nu.. yen.. buslai porathu avalavu tension... See aangaalai vida girls oda personal space jasthi.. Oru paiyan paakathilai close'a ninna (girls na avangalukku santhosham, boys na no problem) athuvai avangallukku tension. kaiya pudikanum,illai idikanum nu aavasiyamai illai.. So atleast ippadi reserved seats iruntha nimathiya onkathi pogalaam.

2. Sisterai kondu poi vidurathu ungalukku alachala?

Ungalukku just antha kondu poi vidarathu thaan thollai. But antha vetulai amma pathi yosichi paarkireengala.. yen appdi solluraanga nu.. avanga ponnukku ethum aagida kudathu.. yaarum onum seinjida kudathunu paarkiraanga. Antha ponnu paatharama velilai poitu vara varikkum avanglukku kaavalai thaan. Ponnu.. buslai poi kazhtapattu, idipattu vara kudathu nu kaavalai thaan avangalukku.. Neenga yosiyeenga.. oru silar irrukaanga.. jolliya edichikittu (girls) porathukku.. but mostly girls ku konjam soranai jasthi..

Boyfriend.. avanga allai pick panni porathu.. unamayai sollunga.. ungallukku athu jolly thaane. summa pattimandram nu poi solla kudathu.. ada athu oru gift ga.. Jolliya appadiye pesikittu.. namma allu namma mella kaiye pottu kittu porathu.. thats enjoyable.. athai neenga kondu varathu thappu.

Ithu mattum illai.. intha society.. causes more harm to women rather to men.. Oru thaappu nu nadantha.. oru ponnai thaan kaaranum kaatuvaanga.. Ithu lai irunthu theriyalaya.. evalavu aavasthai pengallukku..

Onum illai.. nama chennai lai vellai sayeera software engineer'ai neenga paarkanum.. nai paadatha paadu nu solluvangalai aathu thaan.. Ippo ella companiga romba thooram irrukuthu.. so morning ezunthirichu sappadu aaki.. husband oru bag..unakku oru bag.. company bus morning 7.30 vanthudum.. athu kullai elathayum redi panni.. bus lai thoongi.. office ponna.. anga onsite lai irunthu tension.. ithu ellam mudinju saitharam.. veetukku poganum na.. PM kittai permission vaangi (normal timekku vittuku porathukku) naalaikku senjidurain nu sollittu.. odi poi vedu serathukullai.. ammada nu ayedum.

Mostly aangal paarunga.. vittukku ponna wife irupaanga.. saapittu nimathiya rest eduthuka mudiyum. So naraya sollalum.. unmai aathu thaan.. venumna silla incidents aangalukku saathagama irukalam.. but naraya incidents pengalluku thoolai jasthi nu irruku.. so neenga naan pesalam, but truth is already defined.

Shiam

anainar
12-15-2004, 11:01 PM
Shiam,

சிலிக்ஸ் சொன்னது ஜொள்ளு ஜனார்த்தனன ். பாய் ப்ரெண்ட் இல்லை. பாய் ப்ரெண்ட் ப்ரொமோஷன் கிடைக்காதா ன்னு அலையர அப்பாவி. இது மாதிரி ஒரு 2 - 3 வருஷன் சேவை பண்ணினா போனா போகுதுன்னு பாய் ப்ரெண்ட் ப்ரமோஷன் கிடைக்கும் . அதுலயும் ரொம்ப நல்லா சர்வீஸ் பண்ணினா, அத்தோட புருஷன் ப்ரமோஷன். அவ்ளோ தான், அன்னியோட அவனுக்கு சங்கு. அப்போ வாய் அடைச்சவன் தான், அப்புறம் வாயே திறக்க முடியாது அவனுக்கு.

The argument is whether man or woman. Not husband or wife or sister. So, that way even sisters are also admissible.

Cheers

Priyanka
12-15-2004, 11:06 PM
Shy avarkale! Thangkal kootrai ennaal yerka mudiyaathu. Ondrum illaathathai oodhi perisaakkuvathu enpathu pengalukke uritthaana gunam. Paavam pasanga appaavinga.

Uralukku oru pakkam idinna matthalatthukku rendu pakkamum idi. Aangalukku veettulaiyum idi, office-laiyum idi. Office pona Boss-oda thollai, veettula pona sadhaa ammaavukkum pondaattikkum naduvula maattindu muzhikkanum. Aagave aangale adhigam avadhi padubavarkal.

Angayae thappu.. athu enna aangalna matum mathaalam.. appadi partha.. oru ponnukku irukara ellam sideum adinu naan solvaen... officelaiyum, veetulaiyum, athuvum unga veedu enga veedu ellai.. ava amma veedu, in laws veedu, nathanaar veedu, anna veedu, thambhi veedu, evanga veedu avanga veedu, each and every one talk as they wish and its the huge responsibility of the lady to please everyone in the family...

Shy

Neenga soldrathu sari thaan akka. Pengalukku office, naatthanaar veedu, maamiyaar veedu, andha veedu indha veedu ellaatthulaiyum idi padanum. Aana aangalukku? Pondaattikkum ammaavukkum madhyastham panni vekkarathukkulliyum avanga aayisula mukka vaasi karanju poidum.

Silican sonna maadiri bus evvalavu thaan koottam irundhaalum paarunga. Foot board-la travel pandrathu ennavo namba paavap patta pasanga thaan. Ponnunga ennikkaanum foot board-la travel panni parthirukkeengalaa? "Pen endraal peyum irangum" endru solluvaangale. Andha maadiri ponnunga bus-ula yerinaa, namba pasanga ponnungalai bus ulla yera vittuttu avanga foot board-la travel pannuvaanga.

Athuvum indraiya aangalukku irukkara miga periya savaal enna theriyumaa? Adolescent age-la entha ketta pazhakkatthukkum adimai aagaama successful-a velila varathungarathu romba romba kashtam. Indha kashtam yen namba girls-ukku illaiyaa-nnu neenga kekkalaam. Aana India-va poruttha varaikkum ponnungalukku innum social fear irukku. Matthavanga enna nenaippaangalonnu bayam irukku. Athanaala easy-a entha thappu thandaavukkum poga maattaanga.

anainar
12-15-2004, 11:16 PM
Shy,

இந்த நாத்தானார் வீடு, மாமியார் வீடு எல்லாம் சுத்த ஹம்பக். வருஷத்தில எத்தனை வாட்டி இவங்க வீட்டுக்கெ ல்லாம் போறாங்க? ஒரு வாட்டி? இல்லாடி ரெண்டு வாட்டி? அதுவும் ஒரு நாளோ ரெண்டு நாளோ?? அதுக்குள்ள இத்தனை பேச்சு!! என்னமோ அவங்க எல்லாம் தலை மேல ஏறி உக்காந்து இருக்கர மாதிரி. அதே ப்ரச்னை பசங்களுக்க ும் இருக்கு தானே?மச்சி ன், அவன் பொண்டாட்டி , சகலைபாடி, மதினி,மச்ச னி( இது மட்டும் பரவா இல்லை, ஏன்னா சின்ன பொண்ணு பாருங்க, எப்பவும் இந்த பார்ட்டி மட்டும் அத்தானுக்க ு சப்போர்ட் பண்ணுவா ). So, the problem is common for men and women. It is essentially interpersonal skills.

Cheers

Priyanka
12-15-2004, 11:16 PM
Ungalukku just antha kondu poi vidarathu thaan thollai. But antha vetulai amma pathi yosichi paarkireengala.. yen appdi solluraanga nu.. avanga ponnukku ethum aagida kudathu.. yaarum onum seinjida kudathunu paarkiraanga. Antha ponnu paatharama velilai poitu vara varikkum avanglukku kaavalai thaan. Ponnu.. buslai poi kazhtapattu, idipattu vara kudathu nu kaavalai thaan avangalukku.. Neenga yosiyeenga.. oru silar irrukaanga.. jolliya edichikittu (girls) porathukku.. but mostly girls ku konjam soranai jasthi..

Enna Shyam neenga. Namba India pengale public transport-la velila poha mudiyaatha alavukku appadi onnum kettu poyidalai. Etthanai school girls, college girls, working women buslaiyum auto-laiyum poittu varaanga. Avanga ellaaraiyuma kidnap panni, rape panni ellaam pannidraanga. Adhellaam romba rare casesla thaan appadi nadakkum.

Ithukkellam petrorgalin thevaiyatra bayam thaan karanam. Avangalum bayandhu, namba pasangalaiyum bayamurutthi, 'inga kondu poi vidu, anga kondu poi vidu' appadinnu padutthinaa enna artham? Avangalum life-ai enjoy panna vendaama? Namba pasanga thaan paavam akkaavaiyum thangacchiyaiyum vizhundhu vizhundhu computer class, music class appadinnu drop pannittu varuvaanga. Sisters-ukku kalyanam aayiducchunnaa namba pasangalai thirumbi kooda pakka maattaanga.

Priyanka
12-15-2004, 11:22 PM
Shy,

இந்த நாத்தானார் வீடு, மாமியார் வீடு எல்லாம் சுத்த ஹம்பக். வருஷத்தில எத்தனை வாட்டி இவங்க வீட்டுக்கெ ல்லாம் போறாங்க? ஒரு வாட்டி? இல்லாடி ரெண்டு வாட்டி? அதுவும் ஒரு நாளோ ரெண்டு நாளோ?? அதுக்குள்ள இத்தனை பேச்சு!! என்னமோ அவங்க எல்லாம் தலை மேல ஏறி உக்காந்து இருக்கர மாதிரி. அதே ப்ரச்னை பசங்களுக்க ும் இருக்கு தானே?மச்சி ன், அவன் பொண்டாட்டி , சகலைபாடி, மதினி,மச்ச னி( இது மட்டும் பரவா இல்லை, ஏன்னா சின்ன பொண்ணு பாருங்க, எப்பவும் இந்த பார்ட்டி மட்டும் அத்தானுக்க ு சப்போர்ட் பண்ணுவா ). So, the problem is common for men and women. It is essentially interpersonal skills.

Cheers

Indha maamiyaar naatthanaar ellaam paduttharaangannu soldrathai muzhumaiyaaha otthukka mudiyaathu. Athu avanga soldrathai naam eppadi edutthukkarom-ngarathai porutthum irukku. Yen namba ammaavo, illai namba akka/thangaiyo namba kooda sandai potta avangalai namba othukkiyaa vacchuduvom? Enna avanga ellaam kucchiya edutthaa adikka poraanga? Etho edakku modakka rendu pecchu pesuvaanga. Athai kandukkaama vitra vendiyathu thaan. Maamiyaar kodumai, natthanaar kodumai ellaam innamum irukkunna naan otthukkaren. But aana athellaam very very very rare.

suha
12-16-2004, 12:09 AM
:00: PKM ningo andha team la irrukingalla :evil:

ennaku innum life na enna naddkudhuntei terilla...naan eppadi argument panna muddiyum... :ee:

shy akka and...shiam akka...ningo vidadhingo :b: ....shy akka orru peeru irrundha,,100 peruku sammam...so no worrys.. :ee:

gents team thaan nirriya irrukangha :oops: .... ladys rombha kammi..... :oops:

Idhula ye terinjikalaam....ladys evollo allal padrangntu..avollo work.. :? ....geetham kuda varamudiymma :Ksp:

indha gents...eppadi free ya suthuranghaaaa :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


ps: sri bhaiya vantinggalla.....vango..vangoo ... :sm04:

ps 2 : Geethamill.....mudhal muraiyagha.......Suha against brotherss :sm10: :sm12:

Priyanka
12-16-2004, 12:16 AM
ps 2 : Geethamill.....mudhal muraiyagha.......Suha against brotherss

Geetham-il mudhal muraiyaaha PK supporting brothers! :sm12:

Shy
12-16-2004, 02:14 PM
பசங்களால நிம்மதியா ஒரு பஸ் எற முடியுதா ? பிதுங்கற கூட்டம், நெரிசல், வேர்வை..ஃபு ் போர்டிலியே தொங்கிக்கி ட்டு போகணும். பொண்ணுங்கள ுக்கு இதெல்லாம் உண்டா ? பஸ் ஏறினோமா, அங்க லேடிஸ் சீட்ல எடம் இல்லனா ஜெண்ட்ஸ் சீட்டு..ஒரு பய கேக்க மாட்டான். கேட்டுட்டா , அந்த பொண்ணு கைய தொட்டான் கால தொட்டன்னு சவுண்டு போட்டு அவனுக்கு தர்ம அடி வாங்கி கொடுத்துரு ம். பஸ் கெடைக்கலைய ா ? வீட்டுக்கு வா மகளே.. வீட்டுல தான் "அம்மா" ஆட்சி ஆச்சே..இருக கவே இருக்கான் கூட பொறந்தவன் (டேய் ஒதவாக்கர போயி உங்க அக்கா/தங்கச்சிய டிராப் பண்ணிட்டு வா), ரிட்டயர் ஆன அப்பா ("ஆமாம், இப்போ நீங்க பேப்பர் படிச்சா தான் நாளைக்கு மன்மோகன் சிங்குக்கு பட்ஜட்ல ஐடியா கொடுக்க முடியுமாக் கும்..எந்தி ிச்சி போயி இவள உட்டுட்டு வாங்க. டிபன் எடுத்து வைக்கிறேன் .."அதாகப்பட்ட து வேலைய செஞ்சா சோறு..இல்லன இன்னிக்கு சிங்கி நாளைக்கு சங்குடி ஒனக்கு)

First Bus pathi pesuvoom !!!

As shiam said, yaaru ungalai footboardla vara sona, bus garagela irunthae footboardla vara reasons naan solata

(1) ponnunga busla yaerachae konjam urasathaan :evil: :evil:
(2) bus terminal pooravaraikkum irukara ellam stop, signal, road, eppadi athu poora vali ellam irukara ponnunga kita bandha pana

Idam irukkum oru thatha pakathula, chamatha varalaam angae utkarnthutu.. intha kizham kooda utkaartha evo therimbi parpaanu, thongitu vantha, athuku yaar poruppu...

Actually its a pain for women here because antha busla yaerathukula ava paadu irukae paavam, nonthu poiduvaa , engae oruthar urasarathu, angae oru idi :evil: :evil: :evil:
Ladies bus, ithuku thaan vitaanga, to avoid these guys kurumbu and also most importantly, pregnant ladies konjam nimathiyaa varalaam pasanga problem ellama..
Seat kodukarthum oru humanity reasonkku thaan, there are many times many girls, including me who had give seat to elder men.

Second, drop off and pick up !!!

Unga family ponnu, eppadi pata loosunga busla vantha yaentha parents or brothers will allow it. chumma solaatheenga, many brothers porupaa, poi vitutu varuvaanga because they themselves dont want to send their sisters in such situations ;) yaena "paambin kaal paambukku thaanae theriyum" Moreover ithu allala avanga nenaikooda parka mataanga, so chumma debatekaaga sola koodaathu :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: pasanga panra oru sila nalla vishyangala athuvum onnu ;)


சரி வீட்டுல இதுமாதிரி யாரும் இல்லையா..கவ ையே வேணாம். 500 ரூவாஇக்கு ரெண்டுன்னு வாங்கின செல் இருக்குமே, எடுத்து கம்ப்யூட்ட ர் க்ளாஸ்க்கு வருவானே ஒரு ஜொள்ளு ஜனார்த்தனன ்..அவனை கூப்பிடு. "ஹாய்..குட் மார்னிங்..ஹ ஹி (இந்த ஹி ஹி ரொம்ப முக்கியம். இதுல அடிபடாதவன் ராக்கெட் சயன்ஸ், அணுகுண்டு ஆராய்ச்சின ்னு யேதாவது பெரிய லெவெல்ல குழம்பி போயிருக்கண ும்) அடுத்த பத்தாவது நிமிஷம் 'தல' பல் வெளக்காட்ட ியும் வாய்க்குள் ள டியோடரண்ட் அடிச்சிட்ட ு, தலைல தண்ணி ஊத்தி சீவி சிங்காரிச் சிக்கிட்டு ஓ.சி யமஹா'ல பஸ் ஸ்டாப்'ல பிரேக் அடிப்பான். இதெல்லாம் த்ரிஷா, அசின் மாதிரி பொண்ணுங்கள ுக்குன்னு மட்டும் நெனச்சிராத ீங்க. நெத்திலேர் ந்து ஒரு முடி முகத்துல விழற மாதிரி ஸ்டைலோட இருக்கற எந்த பொண்ணுக்கு ம் பொருந்தும் .

Ada paavi, ithu ellam too much.. avalae vendaam vendaamnu sonaalum, "cha cha intha mathiri KD pasanga irukara roadla eppadi pooreenga, bus kooda ennai kaeta vendaamnu soluvaen naanae poi ungalai college/workla drop panitu pick up panikuraenae" - Eppadi thaan pasanga soluvaanga.. avanooda nagging thaangaama once ok solita poothum, athukku mookku, kaathu vachu, avalai madakitaenu soliduvaanga :evil: :evil:


இந்த "சலுகை" வசதி எல்லாம் பசங்களுக்க ு உண்டா ?

Amma, sontha velaiyaa parkaama eppadida madakalaam figure'anu alaincha.. thaan undu than velai undunu iruntha??? ithu ellam thevaiyaa :evil: :evil: :evil:

Shy

Shy
12-16-2004, 02:28 PM
Neenga soldrathu sari thaan akka. Pengalukku office, naatthanaar veedu, maamiyaar veedu, andha veedu indha veedu ellaatthulaiyum idi padanum. Aana aangalukku? Pondaattikkum ammaavukkum madhyastham panni vekkarathukkulliyum avanga aayisula mukka vaasi karanju poidum.

:nono: :nono: Enna PK, ella pakamum Idi'nu eppo thaan accept paneenga, appuram intha just 2 side ellam yaentha moolaikku solluga.. BTW intha mamiyaar and wifekku nadula irukarthai pathi detailla pesuraen in a few ;)


Silican sonna maadiri bus evvalavu thaan koottam irundhaalum paarunga. Foot board-la travel pandrathu ennavo namba paavap patta pasanga thaan. Ponnunga ennikkaanum foot board-la travel panni parthirukkeengalaa? "Pen endraal peyum irangum" endru solluvaangale. Andha maadiri ponnunga bus-ula yerinaa, namba pasanga ponnungalai bus ulla yera vittuttu avanga foot board-la travel pannuvaanga.

First, intha footboard matterai me and shiam nalla soli irukoom, athuku answer sollunga.. chummavaa viduraanga ;) Bolded gavaninga.. eppo neenga enna sola vareenga, pasanga ellam peina :think: :think:


Athuvum indraiya aangalukku irukkara miga periya savaal enna theriyumaa? Adolescent age-la entha ketta pazhakkatthukkum adimai aagaama successful-a velila varathungarathu romba romba kashtam. Indha kashtam yen namba girls-ukku illaiyaa-nnu neenga kekkalaam. Aana India-va poruttha varaikkum ponnungalukku innum social fear irukku. Matthavanga enna nenaippaangalonnu bayam irukku. Athanaala easy-a entha thappu thandaavukkum poga maattaanga.

Very good point !!! So appo societykku bayanthu, moralityooda, tradition values ooda ponnunga irukaanganu neengalae soliteenga. so yaentha thappum intha girls pana mataanga.. Appo intha pasangalukku yaenga poochu arivu.. olunga athae mathiri padichooma appa kaasula, velaikku poonoomanu irukalaamae ???? so adiya aatam ennanu suthurathu intha guys, appuram kashtapata athukku penngala karanam???


இந்த நாத்தானார் வீடு, மாமியார் வீடு எல்லாம் சுத்த ஹம்பக். வருஷத்தில எத்தனை வாட்டி இவங்க வீட்டுக்கெ ல்லாம் போறாங்க? ஒரு வாட்டி? இல்லாடி ரெண்டு வாட்டி? அதுவும் ஒரு நாளோ ரெண்டு நாளோ?? அதுக்குள்ள இத்தனை பேச்சு!! என்னமோ அவங்க எல்லாம் தலை மேல ஏறி உக்காந்து இருக்கர மாதிரி. அதே ப்ரச்னை பசங்களுக்க ும் இருக்கு தானே?மச்சி ன், அவன் பொண்டாட்டி , சகலைபாடி, மதினி,மச்ச னி( இது மட்டும் பரவா இல்லை, ஏன்னா சின்ன பொண்ணு பாருங்க, எப்பவும் இந்த பார்ட்டி மட்டும் அத்தானுக்க ு சப்போர்ட் பண்ணுவா ). So, the problem is common for men and women. It is essentially interpersonal skills.

No way anainar, A girl comes from a different family and becomes their own, but its not so for a guy, you dont be in constant touch with the girls side of the family. But weekly anna,anni kita pesanum, husband sisters kita pesanum.. the point is even though she doesnt like it or its not mandatory she has to do it, once in a while(atleast a month) ellaina.. "aiyoo anna marriage paninava irukaalae, sariyaana thirmir pudichavae, oru fone onnu kedaiyaathu, nambalaa pesina undu. yaethoo velaikku pooraalaam, namba parkaatha velaiyaa" eppadi ellam pechu varum. But for a guy its not like that, ponnai koduthavanga thaan call pani vichareepaanga, because thats the respect they have for the guy who takes care of their girl.. so intha மச்சினன், அவன் பொண்டாட்டி , சகலைபாடி, மதினி,மச்ச னி for a guy ellam chumma.. oru function or anything or anytime, a guy need not do anything, intha kaasu do whatever is required for the familynu solitu poidalaam, but ellaraiyum please pani, athai mudikarthu antha wifeooda velai.. u know how much allal is that :evil: :evil:

Anainar.. watch bolded area, nicea cycle gapla yaethoo soliteenga ;) mm..parthukuraen !!!!

Shy

gokulan42
12-16-2004, 02:40 PM
Shy, please add me to the spectators side.

As a nuetral person, I would like to say that the men's team is winning heavily ;)

Priyanka
12-16-2004, 03:02 PM
Neenga soldrathu sariyillai U.P.S. Ennavo pasanga ellaarume pollatha pasanga-ngara maadhiri generalize panni ezhudhiyirukkeenga. Majority of them nalla pasanga thaampaa! Chumma jollu vidrathoda sari.


Ada paavi, ithu ellam too much.. avalae vendaam vendaamnu sonaalum, "cha cha intha mathiri KD pasanga irukara roadla eppadi pooreenga, bus kooda ennai kaeta vendaamnu soluvaen naanae poi ungalai college/workla drop panitu pick up panikuraenae" - Eppadi thaan pasanga soluvaanga.. avanooda nagging thaangaama once ok solita poothum, athukku mookku, kaathu vachu, avalai madakitaenu soliduvaanga

Enna too much? Appaavi pasangalai yemaatthi thannoda kaariyatthai saadhicchukkarathu ponnunga thaan. Paarunga neengale otthukkareenga pasangalukku ilagina manasunnu. Ellaatthaiyum thappaana kannottatthoda pakkatheenga U.P.S. Oru sahodhara paasatthaala 'aiyo namba thangacchi maadiri irukkara ponnu mattha KD pasanga kitta kashta pada koodathe'ngara ore kaaranatthukkaaha thaan appadi soldraanga.

Shy
12-16-2004, 03:05 PM
Shy, please add me to the spectators side.

As a nuetral person, I would like to say that the men's team is winning heavily ;)

Gokul, neengalum busyaa :Ksp: :Ksp:

Ok add panidaraen, but men's side :think: :think: I dont think so ;)

Shy

gokulan42
12-16-2004, 03:20 PM
yes Shy. Very busy. Need to work for bread at office and come home and do the domestic stuff (cooking, cleaning and take care of family members's needs)... Really really busy :(

Shy
12-16-2004, 03:39 PM
yes Shy. Very busy. Need to work for bread at office and come home and do the domestic stuff (cooking, cleaning and take care of family members's needs)... Really really busy :(

Busy ok, but :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: eppo yaarkaeta..cooking, cleaning ellam panrathai pathi.. menkku eppadi ellam support thedi thareengala..

Shy

silican
12-16-2004, 03:41 PM
Enna silican.. unga sidekku.. summa alli vittukitai poreenga.. Unga storykai varum..

1. Buslai kututathil. foot board lai ninukittu porathu kastama?... Hmm sollunga.. buslai naduvulai naraya edum irunthum ullai poga mateenga.. ellam style.. appadiye thongittu porappo.. oru santhosam ungallukku.. veera vilayattu.. ladies impress pannaruthukku oru vazhi.. avalavu thaan..








First Bus pathi pesuvoom !!!

As shiam said, yaaru ungalai footboardla vara sona, bus garagela irunthae footboardla vara reasons naan solata

(2) bus terminal pooravaraikkum irukara ellam stop, signal, road, eppadi athu poora vali ellam irukara ponnunga kita bandha pana

Idam irukkum oru thatha pakathula, chamatha varalaam angae utkarnthutu.. intha kizham kooda utkaartha evo therimbi parpaanu, thongitu vantha, athuku yaar poruppu...





Frankly speaking, neenga adhigama Murali, Mohan, Anandh babu gaalaththu padangala paakareengannu nenaikkren. Bus'la scene pottu ponnungala attract panradhellam purani ishtyle. No one does that these days. Youngsters know the importance of life and no one risks it for girls. May be Mountroad New college, 1000 Lights, Royapettah Hospital pakkam poneenganna you could have seen youngsters clinging to the foot board. Adhu ponnungalukkagannu nenacha Im very sorry. :snooty: Devi theatre kitta endha busum Niruththa maatan, Sathyam poganumna Royapettah Hospital stop'la erangi 10 nimisham nadandhu poganum. oru 10 nimisham late'a pona GF moonja thooki balcony'la vachippa. Ponnunga nelama evvalovo better. "Mummy auto" rende vaarththai ! Pudhusa Iron panna 100 Rupees note naalanju kedaikkum. adhavachikitu chengalpetlerndhu kooda autoliye varalam..Onnum venam, Yaarachum pasanga thaniya auto'la poi paathirukeengala ?? Ponnunga gate thaandi velila vandhale kai thatti moonu autokarangala koopduvanga.


seri namma matterkku varuvom. Enna soneenga, ponnungala sight adikka footboard'la thonguroma ? Stop stopa sight'a ? Kashta gaalame :doh: Innum neenga 15 varusham pin thangi irukeenga :( Sight adikkara madhiri irukkara ponnunga yaarum Bus'la varadhu kedaiyadhu Madam. Ellarukkum oru illichavaai Yamaha Driver iruppan. Apart from that Yamaha'la pora ponnunga yaarum mugaththai kaatradhu illa. vandi ottravan helmet potrukkano illayo,pinnadi okkandhirukkara ponnunga kandippa Helmet potruppanga. illena Dhuppatta'vala mugaththai cover pannitu iruppanga (ellam safety reasons :ahha: Enna safetynnu ungalukke theriyum). Podha koraikku Sight adikka Spensers, Coffe shop, Snow-Bowling, Landmark'nu pala edam vandhuruchu..arakka parakka sight adikka pasangalukku avasiyam illa. Nalla porumaiya nithanama ninnu/okkandhu sight adikkalam. So dont say Foot-board travel is intended for vaai-Nokking (sight adichufying in Malayalam)

Adyar to Scholinganallur (The famous IT Highway, where there are dozens of colleges and major Software companies like TCS, Infy, Polaris, Pentasoft, etc )eppovachchum city bus'la travel panni irukeengala ?? adhu madhiri travel Jenmaathukkum marakkadhu. vandila Karuvaatu koodaiyoda gramathu makkal, thanni pottta perusungannu sema nerisal. 45 nimisham uyira pudichittu footboard adikkum bodhu theriyum kashtam. Idhukkagave Adyarlendhy ethanaiyo vaati Parry's poyi bus yerven, so that atleast ulla poyi nikkalamnnu.

silican
12-16-2004, 03:42 PM
Naan accept pannikirain.. girlskku bus lai reserved seats irrukku nu.. yen.. buslai porathu avalavu tension... See aangaalai vida girls oda personal space jasthi.. Oru paiyan paakathilai close'a ninna (girls na avangalukku santhosham, boys na no problem) athuvai avangallukku tension. kaiya pudikanum,illai idikanum nu aavasiyamai illai.. So atleast ippadi reserved seats iruntha nimathiya onkathi pogalaam.
buslai poi kazhtapattu, idipattu vara kudathu nu kaavalai thaan avangalukku.. Neenga yosiyeenga.. oru silar irrukaanga.. jolliya edichikittu (girls) porathukku.. but mostly girls ku konjam soranai jasthi..





(1) ponnunga busla yaerachae konjam urasathaan

Actually its a pain for women here because antha busla yaerathukula ava paadu irukae paavam, nonthu poiduvaa , engae oruthar urasarathu, angae oru idi
Ladies bus, ithuku thaan vitaanga, to avoid these guys kurumbu and also most importantly, pregnant ladies konjam nimathiyaa varalaam pasanga problem ellama..
Seat kodukarthum oru humanity reasonkku thaan, there are many times many girls, including me who had give seat to elder men.



Manasatchiye illama pesadheenga. :00: I have seen some real life incidents. Once I was travelling from Chennai to Pondy by ECR in a State transport bus. The bus was nearly full and a few of us were standing. I was standing near the rear entrance making myself comfortable to enjoy the beautiful bay stretch. Suddenly from the front one yelling at a guy standing next to her with highly abusive words. She was like this guy touched me badly, etc. That woman was easily in her 70s, a typical coastal village woman u get to see in Bharathiraja movies, with their way of dressing and that Big-heavy and huge golden thingy hanging on the ears. This guy who was blamed was in his early 40s and from the looks I could say he was thoroughly shocked and nowhere near believing what he heard. He apologised tht he was sorry if he had touched her by mistake. She was continuing with the same harsh words and tone and without a second thought he prostrated himself right on her feet with the whole bus watching. Teers were rolling from his eyes and he coudnt control and broke down. The woman cooled down a bit and the next stop she got down with her basket. He was still crying and everyone in the bus knew he was an innocent guy.

Another incident: Once I went to a movie with my friend and in the middle some guy from the back row touched my friends leg. She got up turned to him and in a loud voice said, "can you stop toucing me". He had come to the movie with his wife. He said sorry and we continued watching. I asked my friend in a low tone, 'y do u create some scene like this. poor guy he doent look like he did it with intention" she said, "you dont understand my feelings. It was like a catterpillar crawling on me. These people come to theatres just for this." I didnt want to continue the conversation, knowing her character. But in less than a minute the guy walked off the movie hall with his wife.

I agree woman need to be extra cautious in public places. But sometimes I feel that they over do things and hurt others for no reasons. Ya, there are rogues who come in the bus with filthy ideas but there is no point being so rude and hurting other people too. Just imagine how the man in the bus would have been hurt. He could have easily said, " I am 40 years and I have daughters waiting for marriage. Dont talk rubbish you old woman.." But he didnt do that, he prostrated and with tears he said, "You are older than my mother. I didnt do anything with intention and didnt even know that I touched. It was an accident and I am really sorry". Consider the other guy in the theatre. How ashamed he would have been. I cant think someone would do things like this when coming with his wife. And for the rest of his life he would be pricked with pain by these insulting words with venom.

silican
12-16-2004, 03:55 PM
Unga family ponnu, eppadi pata loosunga busla vantha yaentha parents or brothers will allow it. chumma solaatheenga, many brothers porupaa, poi vitutu varuvaanga because they themselves dont want to send their sisters in such situations yaena "paambin kaal paambukku thaanae theriyum"

And , I vehementy condemn when you say that guys get into bus with wrong intention or when you say "பாம்பின் கால் பாம்பறியும ்". Its really baseless and a tasteless arguement, I wouldnt like to hear even for debating purposes. ஜொள்ளு, சைட் ellam ellarum panradhu dhan. Even girls do that but not many tell it out in open. மத்தபடி "பசங்க எல்லாரும் பொறுக்கிங் க" ( Sorry for using the word here. ) அப்படீன்னு பொதுவா சொல்றது மகா பாவம்.

சிலிக்கன்

shiam_saran
12-16-2004, 06:02 PM
Silican.. Neenga sonnathukku onu ona reply pannurain..

Adayar to Sholinganallur.. anga thaan naan 2 varusama poittu irukain.. Bus'lai thaan porain.. Auto pudichu proathu illai. auto eppo pudikirain na.. mothalai.. antha bus'ai paarthu irrukeengala.. kaalaiyalai.. bus sanchikittu vaarum.. passanga ellam neenga sonna mathiri.. naathathukkaga foot board lai thongittu varuveenga.. anna ponnunga.. foot board lai thonga mudiyuma...firt anga edam irukaathu.. neenga sollara athai naathathilai thaan naanga ulla nikorom.. Office ponna eppadi irrupom theriyuma... paarunga ithulai kuda ponungallukku thaan kashtam.. Office poi vegama..thalai varitu varanum.. illaina thungi ezhuthiricha maathiri oru look irrukum.. ithai mudichittu .. kudu kudu nu onsite call attend panna poganum.. Neenga ellam atleast foot board lai thongi thapuchikeeringa... See rendu perukkum ithulai kashtam thaan.. aangal pengal nu physcial allachal lai difference illai.. infact.. pengal are biologically weak.. but still they take equal physical allachal as men.. But itho vida periya difference mental allachal..

Neenga sonna example kai varuvom.. Antha lady'a neinachi paarunga.. 70 years old.. summa bus'lai porathu oru kashtam.. kuda oru periya basket.. athai vera thukittu poganum.. intha vaiyasullai.. enna kashtoma.. avanga antha velaiya seyanum nu irruku.. ithukku mella.. neenga sonna maathiri.. avanga.. older generation... murali paadangal paarthangala nu theriyalai.. atleast "kaanavane kaan kanda theiyam" appadinu paadam paarthu irupanga.. avangakallukku yaarum edichida kudathai nu intha vaiyasalyum yosikirangalai.. athuvai avangalukku allachal.. Unga allu 40 vayasu.. paravaillai.. avar mella thappu irruko illayo.. athu mukiyum illai.. avar mellai yaaru touch panurango illai avar yaarayavuthu mutituvaar nu kaavalai illai.. avar appadi kavalai patu iruntha.. kandippa.. antha lady'a theriyama kuda idichirikka maatar... So antha situation lai kuda paarunga..ladies.. physcial tension + mental tension = great allachal.. ithu poi nu sollunga paarkalam..

Neenga sonna antha theatre lai unga friend.. kathanangalai nu sollureengalai. anga kuda.. neenga paadathai mattum thaan kavanikereenga.. unga friend.. is seeing the film as well as being alert.. yaarum summa solla maatanga.. once touch panna udane.. yenthirichu thitta mattanga.. kandippa.. alert avanga.. apuram thaan solluvanga.. ithai.. antha bus lai irukku periyavar.. (unga previous ex) avaroda ponnunga, "daddy antha allu edichittai irukkan nu sonna" summa maa theriyama seinjirpaar nu solli vituduvaar'a enna.. illai unga friend unga kittai.. antha allu edikiranu sonna neenga summa ukaarnu solluveengala.. unga friend romba bold thaane ezunthirichu thittitanga..

Mothathillai.. ithu thappa/right'a nu kedayathu.. anna intha feeling adds more allaichal to women.. So orai situation lai .. physical + mental allaichal is more for women... Athan yennodai kaaruthu...

Shiam

shiam_saran
12-16-2004, 07:03 PM
"பசங்க எல்லாரும் பொறுக்கிங் க" - appadi naanga yaarumai sollalai.. neengalai sonna aathukku naanga porruppu illai..

Shy akka sonnathalai yenna thappu irruku? Neengallai unga sister/mother/wife..etc vai paathirama anupurathukku..kuti kittu porathukku neenga drop pannureenga.. velilai..ellarum nallavangthaane.. yen appadi seyureenga.. avangalai naan poikirain nu sonna neenga vida mateenga... ippadiyum solluveenga.. appadiyum solluveenga.. ithu oru pakkam irukattum.. ippo ellam girls romba muneri taanga.. neenga sollara maathiri.. avanga lai sunny/scooty/kinetic eduthukittu helmet mattigittu poranga... so antha vellayuim michum...

Girl friends.. neenga porruppa drop pannureenga.. athuvum unga own possessiveness thaan.. neenga avangallai kashtam paadam irrukanum nu ethu kittu poreenga.. seri ithulai yenna allachal.. thaana voluntarily seira vellaiku.. enna allachal.. illai maatain na.. avanga yenna poga mattangala yenna? ithu kaathal jollyga.. athu ungallukku puriyathu.. verai yaaravuthu love pannavanga solla sollunga.. ippo venam (after marriage) appadi thonum.. seri namma GCB kuppidunga.. kaathalikagga.. kashta pattu... prawn curry pannarai.. athu avarukku allachala... illaye.. "Sugamana Sumaigal" nu kelvi pattu irrukeengalai athu ithu thaan..

Office'kku kutti tu pora nanbargal.. hey..summa thaane poguthu bike.. ithulai pinnadi onnu iruntha korainja poguthu.. avalavu thaan. Neenga poreenga.. seri courtesy kaga avangalai kutti kittu porrenga.. neenga mudiyathuna.. avangal ungalai enna force'a panna poranga..

Naanga onnum Passanga vetti vellai seyuranga nu sollalai.. athu topic kum alla.. so neenga karpanai senjukatheenga..

Shiam

aswin
12-16-2004, 08:57 PM
I belong to Team A


Pengal thaan Allal padrangangarthu therincha vishyam so that doesn't mean Angal yellam jollya irukangannu. Even angalyellam kudu Allalpadranga but pengal % jasthi. It's liike pengal 60% Kashta padranga Aangal 40%

We celebrate Women's day they dont celeb Men's day why? Coz we still need to create awarness among womens. Women are treated badly in this society than men. For example they kill the fetus if it is a gal none kills a boy fetus.

Women dont demand dowry to marry, only men do...not only that many women are killed in the name of dowry and we never heard a man is killed coz of the same.

Men get higher salaries than women.

Woman have higher responsiblities than men but still she is not recognized and unappreciated. ...just coz she is a woman.

omg! i just cant imagine what men would have done if they could bear children and raise them. Belive me ! Many Men doesn't even know how to cook.

I can still list out the domestic violences and many other things women face from the men and the society and still she survives for the well-being of her family and kids, so only a women can make-it-happen being a miracle and none can deny it. Right? So considering all this a women has to face much more day-to-day problems than men.

Shy
12-16-2004, 09:43 PM
Frankly speaking, neenga adhigama Murali, Mohan, Anandh babu gaalaththu padangala paakareengannu nenaikkren. Bus'la scene pottu ponnungala attract panradhellam purani ishtyle. No one does that these days. Youngsters know the importance of life and no one risks it for girls. May be Mountroad New college, 1000 Lights, Royapettah Hospital pakkam poneenganna you could have seen youngsters clinging to the foot board. Adhu ponnungalukkagannu nenacha Im very sorry. :snooty: Devi theatre kitta endha busum Niruththa maatan, Sathyam poganumna Royapettah Hospital stop'la erangi 10 nimisham nadandhu poganum. oru 10 nimisham late'a pona GF moonja thooki balcony'la vachippa. Ponnunga nelama evvalovo better. "Mummy auto" rende vaarththai ! Pudhusa Iron panna 100 Rupees note naalanju kedaikkum. adhavachikitu chengalpetlerndhu kooda autoliye varalam..Onnum venam, Yaarachum pasanga thaniya auto'la poi paathirukeengala ?? Ponnunga gate thaandi velila vandhale kai thatti moonu autokarangala koopduvanga.

Bolded areala neenga sona mathiri therincha 7G mathiri case irukaathu silican. Naan mothamaa guys are evilnu ungalai mathiri solalai.. I am just saying that there are people like these too. There are many incidents like the one that happened in 7G...40 years kooda appadi ellam senchu irukaanga.. I can name N number of incidents like that. But name one incident where a girl does that to a guy sollunga. So bus travel girlskku thaan romba aalal not for guys believe me. So neenga auto, ellai guys dropping off enna sonaalum, allalnu vantha athu girlskku thaan jaasthi in a bus. That too how many working women daily going thru this theriyumma back home, engae jollya we drive.. also the way of dressing here is different, but mostly they had to wear a saree(good many are wearing chudis now), but pootutu avanga padura kashtam konjam nacham ellai.. So bus travel allal pathi matum solaatheenga :evil: :evil:
Again solraen, I am not branding the entire guys, but there are people who give allal to girls in bus, antha pasangalai thaan solraen.


seri namma matterkku varuvom. Enna soneenga, ponnungala sight adikka footboard'la thonguroma ? Stop stopa sight'a ? Kashta gaalame :doh: Innum neenga 15 varusham pin thangi irukeenga :( Sight adikkara madhiri irukkara ponnunga yaarum Bus'la varadhu kedaiyadhu Madam. Ellarukkum oru illichavaai Yamaha Driver iruppan. Apart from that Yamaha'la pora ponnunga yaarum mugaththai kaatradhu illa. vandi ottravan helmet potrukkano illayo,pinnadi okkandhirukkara ponnunga kandippa Helmet potruppanga. illena Dhuppatta'vala mugaththai cover pannitu iruppanga (ellam safety reasons :ahha: Enna safetynnu ungalukke theriyum).

Eppadi sight adikara ponnunga busla varathu ellainu solreengaloo, athu mathiri pasangalum busla varathu ellai, eppo college padikkum boothai adam pudichu bike vangidaraanga, appuram avanga yaen busla varanum sollunga.

but athukunu busla youth poorathae ellama ellaiyae.. antha low middle class poi thaanae aaganum, avangalukku yaetha mathiri irukara ponnai sight adikaamaiyaa irupaanga. thousands of girls innum busla thaan pooranga velaikku, padikka.. athai mathiri 1000s of guys. so intha sight adikara level ellam solaatheenga, may be eppadi irukalaam..ungalai mathiri high level parties vena spencer eppadi ellam poi high class, high middle class ponnunagalai sight adikalaam.. but paavam innum kashta padura levella irukaravanga engae poovaanga, avangalukku yaeni vachaalum spencer ponnu/paiyan yaetumma.. so bus stand, bus thaan ;)


Podha koraikku Sight adikka Spensers, Coffe shop, Snow-Bowling, Landmark'nu pala edam vandhuruchu..arakka parakka sight adikka pasangalukku avasiyam illa. Nalla porumaiya nithanama ninnu/okkandhu sight adikkalam. So dont say Foot-board travel is intended for vaai-Nokking (sight adichufying in Malayalam)

I didnt say foot board travel is only for sight adichufying, its one of the reasonsnu sonaen and ofcourse it is. Intha oodura busla yaerathu, appuram thongitu varathu, eppadi ellam kooda stunts panra pasanga irukaanga and u cant deny it. Ellaina next time india poorachae kotitu poi katraen okvaa :)

Side track - mm.. samiyaara irunthu ella languagelaiyum mukiyamaana varthaikaL ellam kathu vachu irukeenga :think: ennamoo poonga :evil: :evil:


Adyar to Scholinganallur (The famous IT Highway, where there are dozens of colleges and major Software companies like TCS, Infy, Polaris, Pentasoft, etc )eppovachchum city bus'la travel panni irukeengala ?? adhu madhiri travel Jenmaathukkum marakkadhu. vandila Karuvaatu koodaiyoda gramathu makkal, thanni pottta perusungannu sema nerisal. 45 nimisham uyira pudichittu footboard adikkum bodhu theriyum kashtam. Idhukkagave Adyarlendhy ethanaiyo vaati Parry's poyi bus yerven, so that atleast ulla poyi nikkalamnnu.

2, 3 times thaan busla poi irukaen valkaila. But yes neenga solra kashtam I understand, but its also for the girls too right, athae karuvaatu smell etc etc and crowdla avalum thaanae travel pani vara.. neenga enna appadi travel pani vanthu, amma coffeenu solitu haiyaa rest yaedukalaam, but imagine a working lady, avalae vanthu coffee pootu kudichutu, aathukaararkkum senchu tharanum and the next work starts for her.. athu allal ellai???


And , I vehementy condemn when you say that guys get into bus with wrong intention or when you say "பாம்பின் கால் பாம்பறியும ்". Its really baseless and a tasteless arguement, I wouldnt like to hear even for debating purposes. ஜொள்ளு, சைட் ellam ellarum panradhu dhan. Even girls do that but not many tell it out in open. மத்தபடி "பசங்க எல்லாரும் பொறுக்கிங் க" ( Sorry for using the word here. ) அப்படீன்னு பொதுவா சொல்றது மகா பாவம்.

Silican, naan sola vanthathai thappa pudinchuteenga.. I didnt mean it that way. What i meant was, Eppadi oru ponnooda manasu oru ponnukku thaan theriyumoo, athae mathiri, a guy knows what another guy thinks. athuku thaan antha proverb sonaen. Oru busla not just literates travel , but all sorts of people. So if they feel its not safe for their sister to travel in a bus, then they dont allow it. its not because quote not all guys are porukis, but because some are.

Yes ponnungalum sight, jollu ellam viduvaanga, but they dont do anything to the guy when travelling with them. Many reasons like traditions, guts eppadi solalaam, but simply they wont and hence no problem for the guy, but oru ponnukku appadi ellai. Athai thaan sola vanthaen

Shy

goodcomplanboy
12-16-2004, 10:01 PM
Bolded areala neenga sona mathiri therincha 7G mathiri case irukaathu silican.

7G padame oru loosu padam, except for few scenes'nu neraya perukku theriyum. Believe it or not Shy, ippo irukkira youth yaarum, antha maathiri panrathu ille. People have higher ambitions in life. Ofcourse, there are few exceptions, but cant generalise based on that.

I understand that the Bus silimishams are really a big problem for the girls. I dont deny that at all. But cant say, guys were not at all s e x ually harassed. When I was in Chennai, some 3-4 years back, there was an incident where one guy was literally r a p e d by 6 college going girls. I dont want to mention the college name here. This is true, believe it or not, that guy was admitted in hospital with lots and lots of nail impressions on his body.


I didnt say foot board travel is only for sight adichufying, its one of the reasonsnu sonaen and ofcourse it is. Intha oodura busla yaerathu, appuram thongitu varathu, eppadi ellam kooda stunts panra pasanga irukaanga and u cant deny it. Ellaina next time india poorachae kotitu poi katraen okvaa

Ponnunga mattum intha maathiri stunts ellam panrathu illaya. I agree that boys do these stunts. Infact, naane panni irukken, no denial in that. Aana naan intha maathiri varuvennu therinchu, ennoda note books vaangurathukkunnu sila girls window seat'le ukkanthikittu enna maa scene poduvaalunga theriyuma. Athuvum innum nadanthuttu thaan irukku. Yen ennakku therincha sila girls enga college'le oru range'kku make-up/dress pannittu varuvaanga. I generally speak to everyone very well, so avanga kitte open'a keppen, yendee ippadi ellam pottutu vareenganu. Enna bathil theriyum varum

"ippadi potta thaan machi, boys'kku ellam pudikku, athukkunnu ithaa poguthu paaru, full'a chudithaar pottu moodikittu, antha maathiri ponaaa, namma range enna aagurathu" appadinuvaalunga.


2, 3 times thaan busla poi irukaen valkaila. But yes neenga solra kashtam I understand, but its also for the girls too right, athae karuvaatu smell etc etc and crowdla avalum thaanae travel pani vara.. neenga enna appadi travel pani vanthu, amma coffeenu solitu haiyaa rest yaedukalaam, but imagine a working lady, avalae vanthu coffee pootu kudichutu, aathukaararkkum senchu tharanum and the next work starts for her.. athu allal ellai???

:sm12: :sm12: :sm12: entha kaalathule irukeenga. Go and check out Silican's thread of "Enakku oru santhegam". Namma pasanga padura allalgal theriyum ungalukku. Naal poora vellaikaran kitte kuppai kottitu veetule vanthu samayal seyura pasanga neraya peru irukaanga. Ithule, neraya peru athai evalavu decent'a, perumaya solli irukaanga paarunga.

shiam_saran
12-16-2004, 10:24 PM
GCB...
Naanga ponnunga site addikka maatanga nu solla varalla... avanga ungalai.. site adikaruthu ungalai paathikuthu? Avanga unga mella edicha. neenga feel panni thituveengala? Athu ungallukku oru thollaiya.. illai.. ponnu paartha.. ungalukku interest illainallum athula oru perumai... avalavo thaane.. Anna ponunga (mostly, very rarely.. neenga sonna jil jil pengal) travel pannum pothu.. intha avasthai gal irruku.. So allaichal jasthi thaan avangalluku.

Neenga sonna adam teasing.. avanga 6 peru ethukaaga appadi senjaganu theriyuma... See etho neenga paartha oru example kaaga.. full ladies vargathai kurai sollurathu thaappu.. Ithai vida.. periya kudumai.. pengal kku nadanthu irruku theriyuma...

Neenga venumna vellai kara kittai vellai senjittu vittu poi samikara ghostiya irukalam..but innum ethanayo vitulai.. indian ku vellai senjittu.. vittu ku pona.. wife kudi atleast thaani yavuthu kedaikuthu... Ippo trend konjum marittu varuthu.. this is just beginning.. but yerkanavai... irukuru janagal.. innum maara romba naal aagum.. so intha so few vechi .. neenga theerupu sollatheenga....

Shiam

gokulan42
12-17-2004, 01:24 AM
Before venting too much against guys (as Shy puts it 'few guys'), refresh your memory about the gals harashment in buses too. If you happen to enter a bus dominated by gals, you would be 'stripped' but still guys come out smiling/ignoring.

I do not want to go into details. But, i heard a lot about the other side too.

See etho neenga paartha oru example kaaga.. full ladies vargathai kurai sollurathu thaappu.. Ithai vida.. periya kudumai..
Then how can you blame guys in general with those few examples that you have????

goodcomplanboy
12-17-2004, 09:00 PM
Neenga sonna adam teasing.. avanga 6 peru ethukaaga appadi senjaganu theriyuma... See etho neenga paartha oru example kaaga.. full ladies vargathai kurai sollurathu thaappu.. Ithai vida.. periya kudumai.. pengal kku nadanthu irruku theriyuma...


Thappa purinjikiteenga. I will never do the same mistake as others did on generalising things. As Shy has put some examples saying, guys are like this. Naanum enakku therincha oru example'a sonnen. I didnt generalise it.



Neenga venumna vellai kara kittai vellai senjittu vittu poi samikara ghostiya irukalam..but innum ethanayo vitulai.. indian ku vellai senjittu.. vittu ku pona.. wife kudi atleast thaani yavuthu kedaikuthu... Ippo trend konjum marittu varuthu.. this is just beginning.. but yerkanavai... irukuru janagal.. innum maara romba naal aagum.. so intha so few vechi .. neenga theerupu sollatheenga....


Even though, the project I work is for the "vellai kaarans", my working place and most of my seniors are Indians only. So neenga ithayum generalise panni sollatheenga. Ethanayo edathule nalla Indians m irukkaanga neraya edathule pazhi vaangura "Vellai kaarangal"um irukkaanga. Again I am taking your word. Neengalum pazhaya makkal'a vechu theerpu solla koodathu. Topic is "Indraya Nilayil" not pazhaya nilayil. Come to the present world Sir.

sri_gan
12-17-2004, 09:34 PM
Ada enagapppa aala aalukku ponnunga than appavinga nu alathu vittukittu kittu irrukenga...

Rendu matter therinchikanum:

1. Bus le porappo oru ponna theriyama idichu pothu maathu vangurathu pasanga ... ithu marukka mudiyatha fact.

2. Athe bus le theriyama oru payyan theriyama idichittinana avana etho sori naayee pakura mari pakurathu yaaru... ippa sollunga appavi antha payyana ponna?

3. Bus vanthu society ... mukkavasi veetula yaaru rajiyam nadakuthu... onnum illinga oru ribbon illa dub kamal vangi kodukkama poita vettula olunga saapadu kidaikuma... illa kekuren.

Shy akka ungalukku oru direct quistin.... shopping pogama ungalala oru 1 month irruka mudiyuma? ithai naan ketta ithai eppidira nee kekalam nu Magalir anni onna amaichu ivan romba aduran roundu katti sathanum nu plan poduvengala mattingala? ithai appadiye sevana seiyanum nu Vasan tha tha kooda aamothippar.....

ithu le irrunthu parunga.... enga kastatha... ada pesuravanga unmaiya mattum pesugappa...

shiam_saran
12-17-2004, 10:25 PM
GCB, indriya nilayilum.. pengallukku thaan allachal jasthi.. in the timelai.. boys samikka kathu keeranga.. because avanga situation appadi amayuthu.. thaniya irruka.. sappadu ozunga irukanum na samachi thaan saapidanum.. athanale avangallukku samikka theriyuthu.. But kalayanam anna piragum.. avanga athai mathiri samikiranga nu solla mudiyathu.. venumna konjum help sayevanga.. athukaga.. ella vellaiyum ezuthu pottu saivanga nu solla mudiyathu.. Seri onu sollunga.. kudumbathil.. verum samikara vellai thaana girlkku irruka.. athu just one part.. innum evalavu velai irukku theriyuma.. Vettai clean pannaruthu.. kozanthaigala paarthu kolrathu...etc.. naraya irukku.. allachal irrukai.. athu pengallukku ella vadivathillum irrukku.. Site adichu thunbam paaduvathu.. just one aspect avalavu thaan.. onum illeenga.. mother in law kuda iruntha.. avanga kitta ketta peru vanga irukuruthai.. thani allachal thaan.. Intha society gives more hardships to women.. but intha kashtangal + allachalai thaandi thaan varanga.. thats their power...

Shiam

silican
12-18-2004, 06:23 AM
Shiam,
எனக்கென்னம ோ நீங்க ஆரம்பத்தில ேர்ந்தே Topic தப்பாவே புரிஞ்சிகி ட்டு Argue பண்றீங்களோ ன்னு தோணுது. :think:

அல்லல் = துன்பம், Trouble
அலைச்சல் = Getting Tired due to travelling.

சிலிக்கன்

goodcomplanboy
12-18-2004, 04:18 PM
Good Explanation Silix :clap:



GCB, indriya nilayilum.. pengallukku thaan allachal jasthi.. in the timelai.. boys samikka kathu keeranga.. because avanga situation appadi amayuthu.. thaniya irruka.. sappadu ozunga irukanum na samachi thaan saapidanum.. athanale avangallukku samikka theriyuthu.. But kalayanam anna piragum.. avanga athai mathiri samikiranga nu solla mudiyathu.. venumna konjum help sayevanga.. athukaga.. ella vellaiyum ezuthu pottu saivanga nu solla mudiyathu.. Seri onu sollunga.. kudumbathil.. verum samikara vellai thaana girlkku irruka.. athu just one part.. innum evalavu velai irukku theriyuma.. Vettai clean pannaruthu.. kozanthaigala paarthu kolrathu...etc.. naraya irukku.. allachal irrukai.. athu pengallukku ella vadivathillum irrukku.. Site adichu thunbam paaduvathu.. just one aspect avalavu thaan.. onum illeenga.. mother in law kuda iruntha.. avanga kitta ketta peru vanga irukuruthai.. thani allachal thaan.. Intha society gives more hardships to women.. but intha kashtangal + allachalai thaandi thaan varanga.. thats their power...

Shiam


Mr. Shiam,

Silix sonna maathiri topic is not about alaichal, its about allal. Neenga ennamo engalukku vera velaye illatha maathiri solureenga. Ethanayo veetule vaccum cleaner vanthaachu. Irunthaalum gents thaan clean pannanum. Lawn clean panrathulernthun bathroom clean panra varaikkum ippo ellam aangal thaan panraanga.

You yourself said maamiyaar kitte nalla peru vaangarathukulle kashtamaiduthunnu. That applies to male too. Yaarachu maamanaar kitte nalla peru vaangurathukulle'nu peru moochu viduraangala paarunga? Inga kooda pengal padura allal vanthu pengalaale thaan, angal padura allal'm pengalaaleye. Ennoda girlfriend amma'kitte naan nalla peru vaangurathukulle (still not 100%) naan patta paadu irukke (check out recipe section :wink:).

Aana avanga appa kitte easy'a nalla peru vaangitten. But avalukku entha kashtamum ille, enga parents easy'a yethukittanga. Ippo sollunga allal pattathu naana, ennoda girl friend'a: aana illai penna???

Shiam, I guess you have'nt read Silican's posts, which he quoted before. For your easier reference, please go through the following posts. You will know, who does the bulk of work @ home...


Idhu madhiri Topic ellam enakku kasakkuma :) Kalanthukkaren. My vote for Team B. Come on "paava patta aan varga thozhargale" just to motivate you:

எனக்கொரு உண்ம தெரிஞ்சாகண ும் (http://www.geetham.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13654)
New Evening classes for Men!!! (http://www.geetham.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13665)
Wanna kill your hubby ;) (http://www.geetham.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7781)

- Silican

power
12-19-2004, 10:38 PM
indriiya nilaiyail athigam allal paduvathuu anngalum and penngalum..thaan...eppadi questions alam pengal mindil vanthal allal thaan...athai pola answer panni pannia anngalum mindum allal thaan...haha follow the forget and forgive policy... :ahha: :wink: :nono: :cool:

jaffna
12-20-2004, 11:06 AM
இன்றைய நிலையில் அதிக அல்லல் படுவது பெண்களே.பெ ்களும் வேலைக்குப் போனால் தான் சமாளிக்க முடியும் என்கின்ற நிலமை இன்றைய உலகில்.எல் ோரும் படித்த பெண்களைத் தேடுகின்றன ர்.ஆனால் சீதனம் எக்கச்சக்க ம். அவ்வளவும் வேண்டி அடங்காது மண்ணெண்ணெய ் ஊற்றி எரிக்கப்பட ும் பெண்கள் எத்தனை பேர்.உழைப் ு, வீட்டு வேலை என படும் பாடு தான் எவ்வளவு சிந்தியுங் கள்


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Night-Sun
03-14-2005, 12:38 PM
You guys are wrong! The answer might be GOD!