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chalini_v
01-14-2006, 04:32 AM
there has been many rumours about how our culture(tamil) is not being followed...such as tieing hair back, or girl's should not whistle, or you shouldn't do this or that...u guys know what i mean, but do u think that the tamil culture itself has been changed or is it being followed??

Bluelotus
01-14-2006, 05:21 AM
there has been many rumours about how our culture(tamil) is not being followed...such as tieing hair back, or girl's should not whistle, or you shouldn't do this or that...u guys know what i mean, but do u think that the tamil culture itself has been changed or is it being followed??


:think:

so Chalini_v you define culture by the way hair is dressed and the ability to whistle
in that case I can assure you that I follow nothing :P ...I am a thoroughly uncultured girl :ee:



jokes apart Ms Chalini avargale,
culture is not defined by manners or etiquettes. If a person doesn't follow a certain etiquette it merely means that either they are unaware of it or that they are a tad uncouth. It certainly doesn't mean that they are uncultured.
and since etiquette is redefined by each different community, it's subjective...

These days with all the short crop hair cuts sported by men, I doubt they'd be able to even stick a hair pin in their "mane" let alone tie it back :think:

everything evolves and changes with time...

blue

coolian
01-14-2006, 05:24 AM
What defines culture then?

Bluelotus
01-14-2006, 05:26 AM
I don't know th exact definition but it cannot possibly be based on some half hazard rule such as don't whistle, and tie your hair back.

suha
01-14-2006, 05:28 AM
chalini....welcome to geetham world :wink:


not only tamil culture..all is culture same ...muslims is very very very strict huh :oops:
no one follow that.... but mind knows wht is good, wht is wrong for us...so leave it free :wink:

muslims hijab podavendum..but poteinnaa :Ksp: nahi na :oops: shorts poda kudadhu.. but naan potteineei :Ksp: hair cut hair tie huh ...mottai kuda potukalam adhu nambha vasadhi :ahha:

whistle mmm adhu some kinda natural music.....everyone can try :ee: :wink:

free ya vudu free ya vudu
vazhkaiku illa gurantee :ahha:

coolian
01-14-2006, 05:43 AM
culture is not defined by manners or etiquettes.

I beg to differ. Culture is defined by how the general population in a society act and interact. That's how I look at it anyway.


and since etiquette is redefined by each different community, it's subjective...
Hence you have different cultures.

Priyam2004
01-14-2006, 10:29 PM
Hi Chalini :P

Culture is more what we believe in...not what our outer appearance is! Just cos' a girl doesn't tie her hair back, whistles and so on...that doesn't make her a bad cultured girl, and vice versa...just cos' a girl looks the part - that doesn't mean she's cultured either.

Also things change as time moves on...like girls going out to work for example...abt 50/60 years ago - that wasn't right...but is it like that now? Many things like that...during our great grandparent's generation the wife wasn't suppose to even sit in front of her husband in a public place - not quite the same now though, so things do change! :ee:

chalini_v
01-15-2006, 03:39 AM
okay.....but what do u think about culture itself? or the tamil panpaadu?
oh...the whistle and the hair parts were all examples....don't take them too seriously :ahha:

sri_gan
01-16-2006, 08:26 PM
Nalla culture, ellarukkum theriyume...

Chalini ugalukku puthusa enna oru doubt ithula?

Idiot
01-16-2006, 09:13 PM
avanga tamil culture pathi kekuranga..

atha pathi sollunga sri..

sri_gan
01-16-2006, 09:44 PM
avanga tamil culture pathi kekuranga..


iiiiiiggggguuu....

Seri chollern chalini chollern.


Let open this way then,

Chalini,

What ever you thought as rumours are not rumours and its an identity of a culture(tieing hair back), but today's generation is in a confused state and its looks half boiled and finally makes an identity itself an a rumour proclaim they need freedom.

Whistling ... I don't know may be a guidance from a parent to be a better obedience in front of others.

Should do that - Bend and Bow to the elders, I do this whole heartly so I can get the blessings for sure.

Shouldn't do that - Putting cross legs(attana kaal) in front of elders, I never do that.

There are certain things which are good and feels right when you practice with your habit whole heartly.

I didn't even thought of questioning this and thought as a rule to break as boy's songs says.

so what?

Idiot
01-16-2006, 10:00 PM
:Ksp: :Ksp: :Ksp: :clap: :clap: :clap:

unga vayala ithu ellam kekanumnu thaaan waiit panniinaen.. :P :P

Shy
01-16-2006, 11:59 PM
culture...

What a group of people in a particular geographic, believe and follow. what do they follow?? A set of rules. Thats is culture... People may travel from that location to far off land, but if they believe their culture and cherish it, they will follow it. Ok now.. thinking that whistling or tying your hair is not culture. I will not follow that, because I dont beleive that.. that its that particular individual's nature.

Chalini, now to your question. Yes I think the culture had been altered or in some cases not followed properly. Many reasons for it.. western culture desire, hate to be tied down by too many set of rules etc. Is it good??? There is no staright answer because it depends on that paricular rule in the culture.

Shy

vasan
01-17-2006, 12:22 AM
Many reasons for it.. western culture desire, hate to be tied down by too many set of rules etc. Is it good??? There is no staright answer because it depends on that paricular rule in the culture.

Shy


கழுவற மீன்ல நழுவற மீன் :ee: Nemo.. :sm12: :sm12:

yes/no -nnu sollunga teacher. Tamil nattu- culture padi, ponnunga nILamaa jadai pottukanumaa? Whistle adikalaamaa? Jeans podalaamaa? boy-friend-kooda bike la pogalaamaa? (public kiss paththi ketka vEnaam.. athu thaan therincha kathai aache.. :wink: :P)..

Yes, or no sollunga.. :wink: :P

pattimandra pOli naduvar v- :sm12:

sri_gan
01-17-2006, 01:13 AM
pattimandra pOli naduvar v

Athu inna pOli .... ?? pattimandra pOliayaaa :sm12:

vasan
01-17-2006, 01:18 AM
pattimandram nijam thaanungO.. naduvar v- thaan konjam appadi- ippadi.. :ee:

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vijitha
01-17-2006, 02:28 AM
naan thamiz culture paarththi oru comment-um sollamatten... might be drag to court like Kusboo

sri_gan
01-17-2006, 02:32 AM
naan thamiz culture paarththi oru comment-um sollamatten... might be drag to court like Kusboo

ahahaa ... nenaputha polappa keduthchama nu sollurathi ithu thana???

Naduvar pOli koncham comments sollunga

chalini_v
01-18-2006, 04:36 AM
Nalla culture, ellarukkum theriyume...

Chalini ugalukku puthusa enna oru doubt ithula?

doubt ondrum illai...but i was just curious about what ppl can say about our culture....i mean do you guys know our culture or not

chalini_v
01-18-2006, 04:41 AM
darn....mmmm...the tieing hair back ...wasn't such a good example afterall...... mmm...i'll think about another example....or on second thought..

Can u guys think of any examples of tamil culture?....engal panpaadu enna??

vasan
01-18-2006, 05:21 AM
i mean do you guys know our culture or not

:Ksp:

I don't know our culture. I don't know any culture.


Can u guys think of any examples of tamil culture?....engal panpaadu enna??

kai kuviththu vanakkam solluvathu ? :think:

mIsaiya murukki kittu sandaikku povathu? :ee:

ithu maathiri ethaavathu irukkalaam.. :think: :think:

Me don't 'kai kuvichufy', and me don't have no meesai either.. So no culture. :oops: :P

uncultured, uncivilized, and uncultivated

me !

chalini_v
01-18-2006, 05:25 AM
quote]

kai kuviththu vanakkam solluvathu ? :think:

mIsaiya murukki kittu sandaikku povathu? :ee:

me ![/quote]

ohhh...so...ithuthaan ungaludaiya cultura???....kai kuviththu vanakkam sonnal?...athu thamil culture aakummaa??

vasan
01-18-2006, 05:33 AM
ohhh...so...ithuthaan ungaludaiya cultura

athaan enakku theriyaathunnu munnavE sollittEnE...

I was asking you.. if thats what you would call as tamil culture. athukku ennaiyE thiruppi kEttaa? :doh:

I have no idea what is and what is not tamil culture.

BTW.. neenga kElvi mattum thaan kEpeengala, illai appo appo pathil solluvathum undaa? :Ksp:


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emyesbee
01-18-2006, 11:14 AM
May be namma way of lifethan culturooo?

sri_gan
01-18-2006, 03:55 PM
ohhh...so...ithuthaan ungaludaiya cultura???....kai kuviththu vanakkam sonnal?...athu thamil culture aakummaa??


Adengappa periya levela kelivi kekurenga... Kai kuvithu vanakkam sollurathu indian culture Tamil culturele anngal vetti kattuvargal... never heard a men saying its an issue.

emyesbee
01-18-2006, 04:46 PM
ella roltla vandila pogum pothu poi poi poi nutu horn adikurathu....nadakum makalukku vali vidamal povathu....accindent nadantha paarakamal povathu....ethu ellam namma cultureaaa aaguma :ahha: :ahha: :ee: :ee:

busla yerum pothu karchief potrathu....namma seata paarakum pothu karchief kadantha atha eduthu thooki potut antha seatlayae utkaaruvathu...busla munthi adichutu yeruvathu....thongita busla selvathu....ethuvellam namma culture aagumooo :ee: :ee:

Shy
01-18-2006, 04:49 PM
acho.. naan naluvalai vasan..nijama thaan sonen :D

for example.. intha SATI namba culturela ellam I am against it..I feel more than culture its torture against women.. athu mathiri rules ellam poganum.. athai thaan sonen :)

Shy

vijitha
01-18-2006, 05:27 PM
Kai kuvithu vanakkam sollurathu indian culture

hmm thought it was Tamil culture... :think: but then Singalease does it too :Ksp:

sri_gan
01-18-2006, 06:55 PM
hmm thought it was Tamil culture... Thinking but then Singalease does it too Rolling Eyes

Viji thangam,

Haven't you seen an Air India thatha with a big messai bavyama vanakkam solluvare.... kai kuvikirathu can be a world culture...

vasan
01-18-2006, 07:11 PM
kai kuvikirathu can be a world culture...

appo tamils-kku thani cultural identity kidaiyaathaa? :ee:


ella roltla vandila pogum pothu poi poi poi nutu horn adikurathu....nadakum makalukku vali vidamal povathu....accindent nadantha paarakamal povathu....ethu ellam namma cultureaaa aaguma

MSB.. romba "proud"-aa irukku.. :ee: :sm12: :sm12:


I feel more than culture its torture against women.. athu mathiri rules ellam poganum.. athai thaan sonen

Shy

Some other people also say there are few things that are NOT cultural, but really a torture against women. And every one ostracized them.. So bad, that Viji is afraid of making any comments on culture.. :D

So.. namakku pudikkatha rules close. Otherwise they can stay.. huh? Who gets to decide which rules are torture and which are culture?

:oops: :oops:

Thappu kandupudikka kelvi ketkalai, teacher.... just thinking aloud.... What really is the cultural identity of Tamils? DO we really have one?

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sri_gan
01-18-2006, 07:17 PM
appo tamils-kku thani cultural identity kidaiyaathaa?


Naduvaar pOLi avargalee ... naan athu ulaga alavilana identitya irrukalam nu kurinene thavira ... tamil culture identity illai endru koora villai...

Ithai nengal ungal kirrukku ch che kurrippu puthagathil pathivi seithu kola vendu kiren.

vasan
01-18-2006, 07:33 PM
naan athu ulaga alavilana identitya irrukalam nu kurinene thavira ... tamil culture identity illai endru koora villai...

Cultural identity for is some thing SPECIFIC for that culture. Its not shared by every other group in the world. Like the sign-on ID.. what happens if everyone in Geetham have sri_gan as ID??

There is only one Sri-Gan. Similarly whatever cultural identity we ascribe to tamils must be specific for them. :b:

thavaraana pathil kUriyathaal, iththai puththagaththil irunththu 'azhiththuvida' uththaravidugiren.. :ee:

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sri_gan
01-18-2006, 07:35 PM
thavaraana pathil kUriyathaal, iththai puththagaththil irunththu 'azhiththuvida' uththaravidugiren..

Utharavai amothithu... vetti kattum pazhakathai avai kurippi ettru kollum padi ice vaikiren :ee:

coolian
01-18-2006, 07:41 PM
What really is the cultural identity of Tamils? DO we really have one?

In that case, what really is the cultural identity of any community in the world? What is it in us that makes us - Tamils - "different" from, say, the Japanese, apart from physical characteristics? What is it in us that makes us (generally) feel more comfortable with "our" kind than with foreigners?

Is it the way we talk? Or is it the way we act? Or perhaps, the way we eat?

Of course, you can easily point at some Muthusamy and declare "Muthusamy eats with chopsticks! Does that make him less of a Tamilian and more Japanese?"

My point is, like I mentioned above, "culture" is defined by how the general population - the "masses" - go about living their lives. As long as you more or less follow a set of rules typically adhered to by most members of a certain community, I'd say you are part of that culture.

chalini_v
01-19-2006, 03:19 AM
ohhh...so...ithuthaan ungaludaiya cultura

athaan enakku theriyaathunnu munnavE sollittEnE...

I was asking you.. if thats what you would call as tamil culture. athukku ennaiyE thiruppi kEttaa? :doh:

I have no idea what is and what is not tamil culture.

BTW.. neenga kElvi mattum thaan kEpeengala, illai appo appo pathil solluvathum undaa? :Ksp:


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...appadi ondrum illai....kelvikku enakku pathil therintha...naan aine ketpane...but i'm also confused in the matter...i was recently asked that question and i didn't know what to answer....athanaalthan....inth a kelviyai kaetane....

chalini_v
01-19-2006, 03:26 AM
[quote]

My point is, like I mentioned above, "culture" is defined by how the general population - the "masses" - go about living their lives. As long as you more or less follow a set of rules typically adhered to by most members of a certain community, I'd say you are part of that culture.

...mmmm....i kind of agree with that...:S...but still ...:S:S:S

coolian
01-19-2006, 03:31 AM
Still what?

chalini_v
01-19-2006, 03:34 AM
Still what?

still...that doesn't say anything about the tamil culture.....so what is ur opinion???....what do the mass believe in??

lasik
01-20-2006, 07:54 PM
friends,
naan intha topic kku puthusu :D i jus want to join the discussion.
so,can u guys clear this doubt? yaaru entha pakkam ( ethukku support panni pesaraanganu) me dont understand. :think: :Ksp:
if i know that may be i wud start my discussion supporting the majority side :ahha: :ahha:

with luv
lasik

chalini_v
01-24-2006, 04:15 AM
hi lasik....mmmm....the doubt is about tamil culture itself....mmm....so far...it has come to culture itself is based on our morals and what we believe in.....lolz...i think...heheh...see that's what i am confused about...what is culture....and what is the culture of tamil ppl??....ye...lolz.....mmm.... if u have anything to say...plz...do.....:D

Shy
01-26-2006, 12:43 AM
culture.. what is tamil culture specially sola mudiyaathu :)

melootama thaan sola mudiyum.. example.. can you reason out how small children easily grasp their language... yaarum soli kodukarthu illaiyae.. pure tamil language kathukarthukku munnamae easya spoken tamil they learn right? how... its not that they are taught, but they catch the language and learn it themselves...

same goes to culture... thousands and thousands of years back, to have a streamlined life, they created the vedas for a person to lead a disciplined and mannered life. Those who beleive that, follow it.. A group follows it.. we call it culture.

Shy

coolian
01-26-2006, 12:45 AM
Somewhat agree with your point, but not your example. :P

Shy
01-26-2006, 12:51 AM
Somewhat agree with your point, but not your example. :P

yenaam???


Shy

coolian
01-26-2006, 01:05 AM
Athu mattum sollamaatEn. :ee:


My point is, like I mentioned above, "culture" is defined by how the general population - the "masses" - go about living their lives. As long as you more or less follow a set of rules typically adhered to by most members of a certain community, I'd say you are part of that culture.
Anyway. I think my quote above pretty much answers everything. If you're asking me about Tamil identity, I'd say without taking into consideration our language, the clothes we typically wear (in TN), and our food, the definition's pretty weak. There are numerous sub-communities in TN. I'm not sure if you read this thread (http://www.geetham.net/forums/htopic,19072,.html) I put up some days back - but it illustrates my point perfectly. The people in that village are simply doing what they've been doing for generations - aka, that "festival" is part of their culture. Would you, then, call this "Tamil culture"? Every sub-community has its own culture in this regard! You simply cannot squash together all Tamil communities and declare them to be one - because we are not. However, like I asked previously, what is it in us that makes us "Tamil" apart from our language, our food, our movies, our way of life (how we treat elders etc)...?

Honestly, apart from these few factors, I can't think of any. :P

sri_gan
01-26-2006, 01:40 AM
However, like I asked previously, what is it in us that makes us "Tamil" apart from our language, our food, our movies, our way of life (how we treat elders etc)...?


Cooli first you have to realize, Tamil itself is a language and if some one asks tamil culture the first thing in the line to say tamil culture is the language and the way its written etc... Its a unique identity and you cannot deny that.

Other than that, I really don't understand what you mean by

"what is it in us that makes us "Tamil" apart from our language, our food, our movies, our way of life"


These are entities that every human can do and we do it this way thats how we represent our cultural identity.

coolian
01-26-2006, 01:45 AM
Sri, you completely misunderstood me. :P

I said that our language (Tamil), our food, our movies/pastime and our way of life do identify us as Tamils. I was asking what else is there beyond these?

sri_gan
01-26-2006, 02:02 AM
Sri, you completely misunderstood me. Razz

I said that our language (Tamil), our food, our movies/pastime and our way of life do identify us as Tamils. I was asking what else is there beyond these?


Other than that .. Our temples will have Raja Kooburam.... no other worshipping structures have that.

sWEEtmICHe
02-02-2006, 10:22 AM
birth names [classified] that you are tamilan/hindu, still Tamil culture follows
and identity to show also the surnames ......./caste.....,
festival --also like pongal /diwali /etc..........

chalini_v
02-03-2006, 04:43 AM
[quote="sWEEtmICHe"]birth names [classified] that you are tamilan/hindu, quote]

i'm not so sure...i mean there are christian tamilans who have names such as JOHN ...so that doesn't necessarily mean that birth names classify u ...right?..it's just a word use to call a person...

sWEEtmICHe
02-03-2006, 05:25 AM
HI.......
CHRISTIANITY IS AN ANOTHER GROUP/RELIGION ,
HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TAMIL CULTURE,
IT STILL REMAINS, U SEE MA FRIEND,
IDENTITY NAMES, YOU HAD GIVEN ME IS ABOUT CHRISTIAN TAMILIAN's NAME,
SO WHEN U SEE THAT U CAN SAY ,EASILY A CHRISTAIN,
SAME GOES TO INDIAN'S/ HINDUS,
HOW MORDERN YOU ARE ALSO,
PARENTS/GOD PARENTS STILL PUTS THE TAMIL NAME,
I GAVE AN EXAMPLE SINCE COOLIAN WANTED SOME DIFFERENT
FROM HIS REPLY ........,
I AM A CATHOLIC - SO MA PARENTS DO GAVE ME
A CHRISTIAN NAME ,
I DON'T CARRY A TAMIL NAME , B'CUZ OF RELIGION ,
IN OLDEN DAYS THEY WILL PUT THE CASTE WITH NAMES,
BUT EVEN CHANGES IN THIS NEW WORLD,
NAMES NEVER ........,
EXAMPLE-- VASAN ,
WHEN U SEE THIS NAME ,
HOW WILL BE YOUR REACTION-- INDIAN ?/HINDU ..........
OR.............?
SO WE DO IDENTIFY BY NAMES TOO,
AND SAY THEY ARE INDIANS,
SO THIS CAN BE ONE OF THE FACTOR,
THAT STILL OUR TAMIL CULTURE STAYS........ :b:

veerab
08-16-2006, 05:18 PM
இ நன்ட் டொ சே ஜய ட்.வ் ஒன்லினெ தன்க் யொஉ