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gokulan42
03-15-2004, 05:59 AM
Guys & gals,

The topic is "What kinda guys do ladies like: Ram type or Krish type". The topic is clearly about guys who behave like Ram (not the original Raman, for example Gokul) or guys who are like Kannan (like Anainar or Sri or ...).. Lets do it....

The Ram team:
Shy(C), Gokul, Sagi, Sansdoll, Sri & Valavan.

The Krish Team:
Anainar(c), Bluelotus, Reks, Shidinesh, Vasan & Vijitha.

Others, who want to join the fun, PM me with your preference.

This debate will have some simple rules and time limit.
Suggestions for rules:
0. Non participants are like judges and they are free to comment/post with Aha, Sabash, nooo, kinda stuff. But, please dont take sides yet.
1. Dont be personal.
2. If the posts from participants are alternate, it would look good. So, try to give atleast 5 minutes before the other team responds.
3. Maximum time allowed to come with a counter argument is 24 hours. Otherwise, it would be considered as a loss.
4. Other team members can help the supposed poster with tips and suggestions using PM.
5. No additions of team members for the loss of any.
6. Avoid talking bad about either Ram or Kannan ;)

Gokul

Shy
03-15-2004, 08:08 PM
What kind of Guys, do gals prefer - Our vote is for Raman

This is my opening Argument.

Sri Rama is an example of perfection of human nature. Tha majestic feature of bodily personality, ideal perfection of physiological structure, profundity and beauty of understanding, dignity of behaviour, exemplary nature of conduct to put it in a word 'perfection'. He is a perfect son, husband, brother and a friend. Krishna on the other hand is a god of joy. Hes a playful kid.

For a girl her guy should be a hero to her and be prefect for her to lean on and give her life too. Also no girl can digest herself sharing her sweetheart with someone. This is one point why all girls wants to have a husband like raman who loves her and only her and has no place for anyone else in the heart


After marriage, every girl wants her life to be secure with her love. There can be many distractions in life for a guy. But a prefect guy will never leave her fro anyone else. Rama is a prefect example for that. When Soorpanakai asked if he could married her, he was very truthful to sita and said hes already married to him. Not many guy nowdays ;) reveal they are married. Girls expect a guy to be frank abt his martial status. This is the other point why girls prefer Raman, coz if hes like one, he will be truthful to her

Finally, Sri Rama is a man. Hes also a god. As each of us is. He had set us all an example with his actions, his sacrificies. he inspires all of us, the ordinary mortals to follow the path that is a just and upright existence, and making us believe in our faith of correctness to it.
This is true inner journey of hero Sri Rama, leading to the divine spark that burns inside each of us waiting to be discovered.

So having a guy like Sri Rama is a dream come true for any gal on earth ofcourse who belief hinduism ;)



Shy

anainar
03-15-2004, 08:17 PM
Shy,

I am at office now. You can expect my opening statement after I reach home at 7:00 pm EST( around 5 hours from now ). After a long time we are going to cross our swords. My sword is a bit rusty and need to sharpen it a bit. :D :D

Good that I am in Krishna team. I love Krishna character.

Cheers

Shy
03-15-2004, 08:43 PM
I am at office now. You can expect my opening statement after I reach home at 7:00 pm EST( around 5 hours from now ). After a long time we are going to cross our swords. My sword is a bit rusty and need to sharpen it a bit. :D :D

Sure anainar.. take ur time :D.. Yeah long time.. :)


Good that I am in Krishna team. I love Krishna character.

First .. U love krishna character.. but u arent one ;) Thats my first win :D ... Anyone can love his character, but can u be one ;)

Second.. suprisingly englishla u have wrote.. enna nadaka pooguthoo veetula :lol: :lol: :lol:

Shy

vasan
03-15-2004, 08:49 PM
This is my opening Argument.

Sri Rama is an example of perfection of human nature. Tha majestic feature of bodily personality, ideal perfection of physiological structure, profundity and beauty of understanding, dignity of behaviour, exemplary nature of conduct to put it in a word 'perfection'. He is a perfect son, husband, brother and a friend. Krishna on the other hand is a god of joy. Hes a playful kid.

Shy

Bit of logical loop holes, SuMo.. Of course Anainar will come up with a reply worthy of the famous sword.. but, being a playful-and-very-old-kid myself, thought I gotta add some..

If Rama is the perfection of Human Nature, why should there be a Krishna at all? Any guy who wants to be a good guy simply gotta follow Rama (and girls presumably Sita).. Nothing against them.. they are great and wonderful and still the completeness comes not by being 'only Rama-kind'.. I think guys ought to emulate Krishna's virtues and compassion, and sense of justice..

I am sure Rama had the dignity and perfect understanding - but so did Krishna. Gita was spoken by Krishna. The great Bhisma himself wanted to see the Krishna... Its a perfect combination of beauty, dignity and understanding.. As a complex person, I think Krishna embodies and portrays all these a lot better..

Perfect son & brother & friend & husband? Ask Rukmini, Radha.. Ask Subadhra what a great brother he is.. Ask Arjuna what Friendship is... Ask Balarama, what it is to have a bro like Krishna.... Ask the Gopikas what a wonderful lover he is.... Ask Karna, he will tell you what a gentleman Krishna is.. (hey I could go on and on.. after all Mahabharatha has more characters than Ramayana.. :wink: )

I am not reducing the stature of Rama by talking like this. Rama is great. But Krishna is equally perfect too... He got to be.... So many wives and not one complaint about him.. :wink: :wink: That is perfect, isn't it..

Vasan

ps: If any one is offended by what I wrote, please let me know. I will change or delete the whole post with out further thought. I meant it to be humorously pointing out problems in Shy's statement - and have no intention of hurting any one's sentiments or faith or feelings.

anainar
03-15-2004, 10:10 PM
I could not resist the temptation to draw my sword, even though I am at the office. The topic is so tempting.

First and foremost, these are just arguments of characteristics of Rama and Krishna and should no way be construed as disrespect to them. I rever them both and if any one feels I am crossing the thin line feel free to chop me then and there..

What kind of a guys girls would preder - Obviously Krishna.

Krishna is an emobidment of how to lead a human life. Not the one to follow the beaten track, Krishna always evoked a response of awe and playfulness where ever he went, how ever old he was. He was a naughty romantic guy on one side, but also a statesman and a political strategist on the other end. He had his roles very well defined and knew what to do and when to do. Let us look at each one of his characterstics.

When he was young, he plays lot with the gopikas. But is there any single instance of them complaining that he crossed the limits? Listen to what they say,

பாலனல்லடி உன் மகன் ஜாலம் மிக செய்வதெல்ல ாம்
நாலு பேர்கள் கேட்க சொல்லா நாணமிகவாகு தடி
Read between the lines, the ladies are complaining but not complaining actually. They dont say he made us angry.They enjoy it and brag about it. There is an inherent characteristic of playfulness that is liked by women. The subtelty of the expression is misunderstood by most and fellow geethamites, dont fall prey to the tactics of Rama team.

This is how a lady feels about Krishna, what else you guys want me to say? This longing for his companionship is unparalleled by anyone.( poem is by great Bharathiar )

கண்ணன் முகம் மறந்து போனால் அந்தக்
கண்களிருந் து பயனுண்டோ
வண்ணப்படமு மில்லை இனி வாழ
வழிஎன்னடி தோழி

Tell me one instance of Rama being so wanted by women or Seetha herself.

He grows up and becomes a big guy. What is the speciality of a guy liked by women? To be able to stand up for what he believes in and be a statesman. Krishna believed that Hasthinapuram belonged to Pandavas and stood like a rock behind the Pandavas through their travails to emerge as victor.

He is an ultimate winner. He does not mind playing the weakness of the opponent. If he can get the kavasam and kundalam of Karnan to ensure the victory of his philosopies, does not mind doing it. This characteristic is also a trademark that is liked by women. No women would like a loser, do they?

Above all he is a believer and lives life for himself, rather than for others. Rama made Seetha to prove her purity to the outside world, just because two dhobies talked bad about seetha. Kannan believed in Radha and Rukmini never asked them go through the ordeal.

Many of his traits were listed by Vasan in the earlier post too. I dont want to repeat them. But what ever a women would like from a man, Krishna has them and is a role model.

Cheers

Shy
03-16-2004, 12:32 AM
Bit of logical loop holes, SuMo.. Of course Anainar will come up with a reply worthy of the famous sword.. but, being a playful-and-very-old-kid myself, thought I gotta add some..
If Rama is the perfection of Human Nature, why should there be a Krishna at all?

Logical loop holes???? in the first place we arent talking here why we have both rama and krishna?? are we? we are talking abt like who a girl can dream to have a partner as.. Also as I already said Rama is a perfect Ideal man, Krishna is one avator of vishnu who poses in that avator as a perfect joyess person thats all.

Also In this religion there are many gods, same gods in different avatars.. we cant just ignore them just because of overlapping can we ;)


Any guy who wants to be a good guy simply gotta follow Rama (and girls presumably Sita).. Nothing against them.. they are great and wonderful and still the completeness comes not by being 'only Rama-kind'.. I think guys ought to emulate Krishna's virtues and compassion, and sense of justice..

Guys can be anything, guys can be a unique one, a mixture of krishna and rama ;) or a mixturer of ravanan and anjaneya ;) But my point is when it comes to a girl to choose her husband she always prefers a guy who is dedicated only to her but not flirting/having relationships with many. The one and only reason being a girl wants undivided attention when it comes to romantic relationships !!!!


I am sure Rama had the dignity and perfect understanding - but so did Krishna. Gita was spoken by Krishna. The great Bhisma himself wanted to see the Krishna... Its a perfect combination of beauty, dignity and understanding.. As a complex person, I think Krishna embodies and portrays all these a lot better..

Very true.. but rama is "the best" and krishna is better as u say ;) As I had said earlier, Rama is the idol for a prefect husband and krishna is a idol for prefect joyness ;)


Perfect son & brother & friend & husband? Ask Rukmini, Radha.. Ask Subadhra what a great brother he is.. Ask Arjuna what Friendship is... Ask Balarama, what it is to have a bro like Krishna.... Ask the Gopikas what a wonderful lover he is.... Ask Karna, he will tell you what a gentleman Krishna is.. (hey I could go on and on.. after all Mahabharatha has more characters than Ramayana.. :wink: )

See this is want I am talking abt.. plurals.. no girl can accept that....


I am not reducing the stature of Rama by talking like this. Rama is great. But Krishna is equally perfect too... He got to be.... So many wives and not one complaint about him.. :wink: :wink: That is perfect, isn't it..

Of course they wont.. Even there is muruga with 2 wives.. But epics dont talk abt fight or jealousy between god's wives/lovers... As a human being.. we choose if they want to be in their situation and no woman will accept that

Shy

Shy
03-16-2004, 12:39 AM
Anainar, I got to cook now.. Vanthu paesuraen .. ;)

Tamil quotes poota ;) Bharathiyar entha context'la padi irukaarnu explain panaama sola kuudathu ;)

Shy

sofiadorathy
03-16-2004, 01:22 AM
Mr.goku...

thats really gr8 to see ur debate team members...anyway i have edited an option in ur post which would be quite usefull

thank u

gokulan42
03-16-2004, 01:35 AM
which option, mam

And, please feel free to join either team :)

vijitha
03-16-2004, 01:35 AM
hmm i don't know the whole story about Raman or Kannan... but when ever I hear the name Raman... eventhough he is a great person.. and all that... the thing that come to mind.. is how.. he doupted his..wife... at the end... As for me.. i would rather be with a guy who flirt or wateva with an other woman.. then with a man.... who doubts me.... :?



this is my personal opinion... no hard feelings :D
ahhh hope wat ever i wrote make sense.... :Ksp:

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 01:39 AM
Ram is a very good example of how a man should be...no doubt about that....

There is an incident surpanagai attempt to take over Ram, well he will give damn to her... which proves .. a dedicational nature as a human being to his wife.... Thats the Belief a man should in a system to run a family. There is no other equivalent to this soul...

Ofcourse, at the begining when he is asked to leave to forest, he opts not to take any one.. but Sita misses him so much.... so she prefers to go with him... Its show the way how a men and women communicate not only with words but also with the way they feel about each other.



Finally,



What kind of a guys girls would preder - Obviously Krishna.


No way, If thats the case Play Boy Manson will be filled with Indian Girls or Atleast the Indian girls would try to come there. Is this happening?

If any girl in here freaks out for the above words... ofcourse then they Internally want every guy to be raman... otherwise they are taking the guy they got as less than perfect to raman... this is a fact... its the guy's responsibility to become as raman for the expectation every girl in this world have simple as it is.

sofiadorathy
03-16-2004, 01:39 AM
which option, mam


poll option....




And, please feel free to join either team


i m sorry Mr.goka...I m kind of busy now...thats why...i m sorry anyway

thank u

gokulan42
03-16-2004, 01:40 AM
Vijitha, thats a good point. I will put you in krishna's team :)

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 01:49 AM
hmm i don't know the whole story about Raman or Kannan... but when ever I hear the name Raman... eventhough he is a great person.. and all that... the thing that come to mind.. is how.. he doupted his..wife... at the end... As for me.. i would rather be with a guy who flirt or wateva with an other woman.. then with a man.... who doubts me.... :?



this is my personal opinion... no hard feelings :D
ahhh hope wat ever i wrote make sense.... :Ksp:

I made my opening statements about raman... now in the dissection process.

He didn't doubt her.. If some one properly told the story, it was was the doubt from the People of his own country.

Ofcourse every human go through this process of people talking crap... this is not stick to man alone... Is every women living a life with doubts?

It is a situation and Rama handled that way avlothan.

vijitha
03-16-2004, 01:53 AM
ahhh like i said.. i don't know the whole story.... so i only know wat others told me...if i was worng................sowwwwwww wwwwwwiiiiiiiiii :pray:

sofiadorathy
03-16-2004, 01:56 AM
I will put you in krishna's team


then there must be another option for Raman team right?? what ru goin to do

gokulan42
03-16-2004, 02:05 AM
I can put you there :)

valavan@id
03-16-2004, 02:33 AM
gokulan i can join the raman team if u allow...can I join ????

by the way i have a doubt...ur sign says that ur ayodhi raman...so that will raman team win??? lol just a doubt

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 02:36 AM
Well as one who has very little knowledge of either the Mahabaratha or the Ramayana. I can only write what I feel as a woman.
Perhaps it is flawed but what do I care....it is but my opinon.
As Hindu and Tamil girls, we r taught that we shall be lucky if we manage to find a man ressembling at least a little to Janaki's Raman. Is this really true? would I be lucky if I find my own version of Rama?
I was told that he will be a man who respectes his elders, puts duty b4 anything else. A one woman man....as opposed to say for example Lord Kathirvela/Subramania who was a 2 woman man...(mind u this isn't the full truth either...there's more but it is beside the point I am trying to make)....A man who shall be committed just to me.

Don't get me wrong Rama is great ....he was a wondeful husband to Janaki, i'm sure....perhaps he did indeed love her as deeply as I was lead to believe...I don't know
but in fact the truth remains that it wasn't Rama who was the great husband but Janaki who was the perfect wife....she loved him, she followed him into exile(well frankly hindu wives don't have much of a choice ...u gotta follow whereever he leads), bore him sons and raised them into fine boys while separated/abandoned from/by the Great Ayodhi Rama, endured incarceration ....here she could have easily succombed but she did not (hence why Janaki is indeed the perfect wife), she undervent not one but 2 ordeals for him.....public questioning.....and finally found release as the Earth Mother herself decided that enough was enough that Rama could not put his wife under anymore suffering.

Rama was a great King and Avatar of Lord Vishnu but the most perfect husband he was not.
Yes Raman had integrity and was respected by his subjects....and Even Sri Anjenaya himself bowed to him.

But integrity, rightfullness and a desire to do ones duty is not enough.
Krishna as Anainar told had the courage and the strength of mind to stand up for and accomplish what he truly belived in .

I want a man who knows what love is .....for that what better way than for him to have experienced the sweetness of love itself....is there a greater teacher than experience?
(I don't belive that there is only one person for eevryone....tht's a myth)
Krishna was Indeed loved by many
But in return he equally gave his love to all his lovers

I want a man who can stand up on his own 2 feet, and be willing to slay dragons if necessary for his believes. A tower of strength....but what is strength without ingenuity.

I want him to slay my dragons, to love me with a passion that no other can exhibit
I want him to save the wales....be the robin hood of modern days....
yet I want a man who belives in my own independence and uniqueness...who respect me as his equal...who shall trust me and put me b4 his duty and responsibilities....afterall if he wants me to do that ....I shall expect the same from him
If he even tries the Raman-i-don't-doubt-u-but-according-to-popular-belief trickI shall send him packing with quite a few explitive words. :ahha:
What kinda of matrimonial relationship was that? he set her appart because of his subjects?

I don't think I wanna be saddled with such a man. NO thank you ....I rather have one who shall stand by me even if I am guilty of murder.
Mutual support and companionship is the main reason why ppl get married.....if he cannot deliver this why bother with Raman-type?

Give me Krishna anyday...even if he has zillions of mistresses and is an utter flirt ...as long as he shall love and respect me...and stand by me whatever life throws at us....I shall be content.

anainar
03-16-2004, 02:41 AM
Sri,

I know the story and if you read my post I said clearly, Raman wanted to prove her purity to the outside world. The question is not about belief, but standing by what we believe in. Rama asked Seetha to take that agni paritchai not for him, but to prove a point for others. That is really debatable and no self respecting women of current world would take that easily. So do not distort what I said to your convenience.

Cheers

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 02:47 AM
He didn't doubt her.. If some one properly told the story, it was was the doubt from the People of his own country.

lets try a small play on words shall we ( well even if I have very limited linguistic ability):
He doesn't doubt her fine...(well so it is stated) but he hasn't the presence of mind to support he's pregnant wife in front of everyone. In fact what kinda example did he set his own subjecvts....tht if there's eevn a little rumour abt one's wife it is okay to put her aside????
:00:
can u immagine the divorce rate at the time if it had existed then?
As a Great King he should have stood by her...and shown a great example to his populace
showed that women cannot be treated as such.
okay he set her aside...did he have the courage to tell it to her face ....oh no he got he's brother Laxaman to do it...the poor man was heart broken at having to do the dirty deed....what kinda brother and husband does that make him

Rama type?...again I say No thank you kindly sir.

gokulan42
03-16-2004, 02:51 AM
gokulan i can join the raman team if u allow...can I join ????

by the way i have a doubt...ur sign says that ur ayodhi raman...so that will raman team win??? lol just a doubt

You are in. Check the first post. My signature has both the mentionings of Ram & Gokul, right ;)

vasan
03-16-2004, 02:54 AM
Blues.. an enthusiastic double thumbs up :b: :b:

I am glad we are in the same team.. :D :D

gokulan42
03-16-2004, 03:02 AM
yeah, looks like krishna is kinda leading as of now. Not much Rama's team is visible (other than Sri & Shy).

I am sure, they are preparing for the kill ;)

anainar
03-16-2004, 03:07 AM
ப்ளு லோட்டஸ்,

நெத்தி அடி கேள்வி பட்டு இருக்கேன். இப்பொ தான் நேர்ல பார்க்குறே ன். Very powerful arguments.

If some one read Ramayana properly would also remember Seetha left Rama after that episode and lived alone till she gave birth to Lava - Kusa and made them fight their dad himself. These are fine prints which they normally dont say.

Women need men of conviction. Not some one who goes behind the smokescreen of society or elders. Krishna is a man of conviction. He can galvanise such a grand coalition, play all kind of tricks to weaken the enemy and win.

Our team is going to run over the Rama team for sure. Because we believe in dragon slaying and the Rama team is just a bunch of dragonflies.

Cheers

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 03:08 AM
Gokula Gokula....enna Gokulan...Sri and Shy Krishna's teama??

(thnk u Vasan....but me is so glad to be in ur team and with Anainar, Reks, Dinesh and vijitha....knowing zilch abt all those epics)

(Anainar :oops: thank u ...Go Dragon Slayers!! :b: )

vasan
03-16-2004, 03:09 AM
yeah, looks like krishna is kinda leading as of now. Not much Krishna team is visible (other than Sri & Shy).
I am sure, they are preparing for the kill ;)

Your honor..

Did you want to say 'not much of Team Rama is visible'... Ithey maathiri theerppai maaththi sollidaatheenga.... Appuram naadu vittu kaatukku popaannu anupiduvomm.. :lol:

anainar
03-16-2004, 03:14 AM
Vasan

Judge might have got a திருமுகம் :evil: from our Su Mo and is trembling with fear. :lol:

Your Honor, Please stand up like Krishna for what you believe in. Do not give in to your demons of fear. Krishna will come and slay those demons.

கிருஷ்ணா நீ பேகனே பாரோ!!

There is no spelling mistake in this. It is kannada, a great Purantharadhasa krithi asking Krishna to come fast and slay the demons.

Cheers

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 03:22 AM
Rama asked Seetha to take that agni paritchai not for him, but to prove a point for others.


You seem to forget you are speaking to Scorpion.

What you said is correct. But the fact at that point is It is the difference between the King and People.

Even after Agni Partchai he was not able to run a peaceful life.

Lets Think about the sources:

1. Did rama asked sita to come with him to Forest? Who opted the forest?

2. Who asked for the running deer?

Ithu rendum nadakatti... Ivalo vanthirukathu... Agree or Disagree?

gokulan42
03-16-2004, 03:24 AM
That was symbolic, isn't it? As a judge I forgot about Rama's team :oops: :oops: :oops:

Come on, Ram supporters... where r u?

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 03:30 AM
(Sri_gan don't bring Astrology in here, thank u)
noe haven't forgotten that it was Janaki who chose to follow her husband into exile. there r many reason why she did it...one may be love the other is that as a wife she cannot live away from her husband....especially we r talking abt time where it was not done for a woman to live on her own...she had to live with her husband or her father...the unwritten law of the land am afraid
(even now women cross many seas and face many hardship to be with their husbands)

reks
03-16-2004, 03:32 AM
:yes: blue.. :b:



1. Did rama asked sita to come with him to Forest? Who opted the forest?


huh.. pontati vitutu 13 yrs kattuku vera poga nenaichara :snooty:
so as blue said.. it was Seetha who was the perfect wife and not Rama who was the perfect husband
:sm12: :sm12: :sm12:

gokulan42
03-16-2004, 03:36 AM
so reks, do u mean to say krisna is a perfect husband ;)

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 03:43 AM
Kanna was fun to be with ...he was playful, loving, flirty, paid u attention and showered compliments... :wink: :sm12:

reks
03-16-2004, 03:50 AM
ofcourse goks... athula enna doubt...

any girl would want her husband to be charming, romantic, fun loving... also one who wud appreciate her.. respect her... luv her...

we all know Krishna is more charming, romantic, playful than Rama... (Rama team themselves accepted this ) ... Krishna's luv for Radha is lot more deeper thaan Rama's....

see Krishna had all those gopikas behind him.. but still he loved radha.. so that itself proves the depth of his love... And its a hell lot easier to say NO to a ratchasi - soorpanakai compared to all those beautiful gopikas....

also theres a added advantage.. if ur hubby is a peankara flirt, that gives u also some scope for flirting... with Rama kinds... u cant even drool over maddy... no way :snooty: :snooty: :snooty:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 03:54 AM
also theres a added advantage.. if ur hubby is a peankara flirt, that gives u also some scope for flirting... with Rama kinds... u cant even drool over maddy... no way

Very true...although this is very much optional :wink: (the drooling over Colin Farrell or Hugh Grant or even Maddy)

vasan
03-16-2004, 04:01 AM
also theres a added advantage.. if ur hubby is a peankara flirt, that gives u also some scope for flirting... with Rama kinds... u cant even drool over maddy... no way



Very true...although this is very much optional (the drooling over Colin Farrell or Hugh Grant or even Maddy)

Thus spake the women ! This pretty much seals the argument, your honor. You can actually decide right away.. :wink:

Vasan

Hugh, Colin and Maddy.. Jeez... Not to say Henry... (O Henry, you say? :wink:) :00: :00:

gokulan42
03-16-2004, 04:08 AM
I saw some openings in Reks post, I am sure Shy&Co will pounce when get the time :)

Lets wait some more time.... ;)

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 04:11 AM
(Sri_gan don't bring Astrology in here, thank u)
noe haven't forgotten that it was Janaki who chose to follow her husband into exile. there r many reason why she did it...one may be love the other is that as a wife she cannot live away from her husband....especially we r talking abt time where it was not done for a woman to live on her own...she had to live with her husband or her father...the unwritten law of the land am afraid
(even now women cross many seas and face many hardship to be with their husbands)

Bluelotus,

Nega Ketta mari athellam sollalai... You will know the depth don't worry!


Back to track:::

So many women enthus huh...

Well does any one have a proof that Rama Asked Sita to come along with him to forest? probabaly sita doubted her husband nu kuda kathai sollalam evalo neram aha pohuthu athukku?

If yes then speak... else we rule the point we said.

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 04:14 AM
Romeo Thatha Enna kindellaaa....we also like Brad Pitt, Antonio Banderras, Karthick and even Sharrukhan.... nationality not a problem:wink:

reks
03-16-2004, 04:14 AM
that was left open purposefully goks :wink:
and u be a good judge and dont give clues :sm08:

anainar
03-16-2004, 04:16 AM
Sri,

The same Seetha after the agni paritchai, decides to stay away from him and give birth to her children in a jungle. Do you know why? You want to talk about that too? Seetha went with Rama, because she wanted to be with him. They are married and believed "Raman irukkum idamay ayothi" and went to jungle. The credit is to Seetha, and how does it go to Rama?

Cheers

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 04:17 AM
Sri,

The same Seetha after the agni paritchai, decides to stay away from him and give birth to her children in a jungle. Do you know why? You want to talk about that too? Seetha went with Rama, because she wanted to be with him. They are married and believed "Raman irukkum idamay ayothi" and went to jungle. The credit is to Seetha, and how does it go to Rama?

Cheers


Give me the answer for this.

1. Did Rama asked sita to come along with him to Forest?

Yes or No

reks
03-16-2004, 04:18 AM
probabaly sita doubted her husband nu kuda kathai sollalam evalo neram aha pohuthu athukku?


aiyo rama... rama team en ipdi santhegam paduthu... :sm12:
neither krishna nor his team wud doubt like this... :wink:...

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 04:20 AM
neither krishna nor his team wud doubt like this...


Well Well Well, Dissection Phase irrukku reks don't worry!!!

Answer my simple question enthus.... :sm12:

anainar
03-16-2004, 04:20 AM
What is your point Sri? I have already answered your question and explained why Seetha would want to go with him. Raman did not ask her to accompany him.

You also answer my question. Did the same Seetha leave Rama after the Agni paritchai? Yes or no please.

Cheers

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 04:22 AM
Well does any one have a proof that Rama Asked Sita to come along with him to forest? probabaly sita doubted her husband nu kuda kathai sollalam evalo neram aha pohuthu athukku?


Janaki had no choice but to follow her husband....a newly married bride sepparated from her husband???
Neenga Indian thaane....ungallukkae nalla theriyum oru ponnu aval purushan illamai thaniya vala mudiyathu endru thirumanam piragu......Janaki oru nalla kudumba penn....of course she would follow her husband anywhere even if he went to the Moon. Rama gave her a choice yes but what a choice...live for 13 yrs almost as a widow with little respect from anyone, without the protection of her fatehr's name or her husband's or go with him as his wife thus keeping her dignity and reputation intact.
To doubt is human...but did she act on it? u say he didn't doubt her ....ok fine...but he still set her aside.

anainar
03-16-2004, 04:26 AM
Sri,

Neenga Scorpionna, our team has many Geminis. Geminis are usually very eloquent and silver tongued. There is no way you can win an argument with a Gemin. And Krishna team has many geminis.

You start your dissection, we will dissect the brain that is dissecting and bring out the truth.

Cheers

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 04:30 AM
What is your point Sri? I have already answered your question and explained why Seetha would want to go with him. Raman did not ask her to accompany him.


It is yes.

So, There is a possibility that Sita had a doubt during the long gap Rama might go with another girl and probably she thought if she was closer with him, the chance of losing him is low?

It this speculation possible or not?

If you say it is speculation thats the way people thing not necessarily the king or queen in case of a family the husband and wife.



You also answer my question. Did the same Seetha leave Rama after the Agni paritchai? Yes or no please.

Cheers

Sita didn't leave after agni partchai... neither rama wanted to leave her. So based on a family it is not the case.

Its just the fact both were situations and basically its a part of fact most of lives go by situations not necessarily by each person's will.

How far is the Krishna Story?

Krishna and Radha are known as lover pairs, but Krishna ended up marrying Rukumani, ofcourse there is meera with one sided love...

So how many women wants to become like Radha and Meera... Not every women can be Rukumani :sm12:

Ithu verum opening... poga poga nenga ethir parkathathu ellam solluven. Don't be surprised!!!

reks
03-16-2004, 04:33 AM
1. Did rama asked sita to come with him to Forest? Who opted the forest?

2. Who asked for the running deer?

Ithu rendum nadakatti... Ivalo vanthirukathu... Agree or Disagree?
dear sri.. we cant keep saying "ithu panirkalana athu nadanthurkathae"... if we keep thinking like this, then we'll end up doing nothing...

with all due respect....
look at it this way.. Rama was ready to leave his wife and go for the picnic alone.. but seetha being a loyal and dutiful wife decided to follow him in his kastam and nastams...
but rama apdi patta ஏக husband விரதி seetha'va thi kulika solitar... :(

wat says u :lol:

(ogi guys.. naan engayum odi pogala.. will be back in an hours time :))

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 04:34 AM
really?? are u guys all geminis? no kidding....I'm a Sag myself :ahha:

sagi
03-16-2004, 04:35 AM
:( eppavum naan thoongira nerathila thaan ninga topic open pannuringa.. :(

anainar
03-16-2004, 04:37 AM
Sita didn't leave after agni partchai... neither rama wanted to leave her. So based on a family it is not the case.

Its just the fact both were situations and basically its a part of fact most of lives go by situations not necessarily by each person's will.

Can there be a lamer excuse than this to explain a pregnant wife leaving her husband to deliver the babies away from him? They did not live away for one day or two days. For years till Lava and Kusa became big enough to fight their own dad.

Sri, dont try too much dissecting, it will turn against you yourself. :lol:

Cheers

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 04:40 AM
I thought Rama asked Laxmana to abandon Janaki in the forest ...while she went with him beliving she was paying a visit to an Ashram...so he set her aside right ...she din't leave him volunteerily??

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 04:41 AM
1. Did rama asked sita to come with him to Forest? Who opted the forest?

2. Who asked for the running deer?

Ithu rendum nadakatti... Ivalo vanthirukathu... Agree or Disagree?
dear sri.. we cant keep saying "ithu panirkalana athu nadanthurkathae"... if we keep thinking like this, then we'll end up doing nothing...

with all due respect....
look at it this way.. Rama was ready to leave his wife and go for the picnic alone.. but seetha being a loyal and dutiful wife decided to follow him in his kastam and nastams...
but rama apdi patta ஏக husband விரதி seetha'va thi kulika solitar... :(

wat says u :lol:

Reks,


I explained what you looking in the previous post.

I even asked about the Krishana leelai... athukku pathil kanum.

Even Krishana love Radha and Meera one side loved Krishan...

Krishan ended up the life with Rukmani... athukk enna solla porenga...

How many women folks voted for krishna in here... ellam yosichingala?



Yaaru meera ahurathu? Yaaru Radha ahurathu?

Yaaru ruku mani ahurathu? Mithathvanga ellam Movie songs Dream sequence vara devathaigal... athanga Gopikas :sm12::sm12::sm12::sm12:

Ippo theriyutha thamil movie le love song kku dream seqeunce kku ponnunga sidele aduranganu??? :sm12:

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 04:42 AM
I thought Rama asked Laxmana to abandon Janaki in the forest ...while she went with him beliving she was paying a visit to an Ashram...so he set her aside right ...she din't leave him volunteerily??

Well lakshmana didn't want to leave her alone.... when rama was hunting for the deer... appo seetha sonna varthai enna theriyuma?

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 04:50 AM
mate ur changing the subject.. :ee: :nono:

Kannan pol avan irunthal gopikal irukathan seyum...but as he shall trust me, I shall trust him....

again radha did love him...but she married and lived with another...Andaal and Meera bhai loved him and agin did he betray Rukmini....no...they loved him...and he did shower love on them yes...but don't we all love many.....his heart was big enough to love the whole world and his wife.

She was frightened for her husband...Seetha/Janaki tht is.

sagi
03-16-2004, 05:02 AM
உலகில் உள்ள பெண்கள் எல்லம் ஒன்று திரண்டு வந்தாலும்
சீதை பொல் பெண் இல்லை என்பானெ எங்கல் சீதா ராமன் :)

உங ஆளு என்ன பண்ணுவானு நங்க சொல்லியா தெரியனும்...

well ella ponnungalukkum "en purusan enakku mattum thaan" so raman thaan best...

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 05:04 AM
Bluelotus,

Don't be an arrow ;) and go in one direction.

It is the interesting aspect of debate to make the pro and cons ;)


Well comming to the point.

You have to know about sita also.

This is the situation.

1. Ram went to hunt the deer.... it is actually an asura... When he leave he gave the protection work to Lakshmana.

2. Rama Hunts the deer with his arrow.. this asura... makes a noise like rama

3. Sita hears that noise and she believes Rama suffering, first mistake, she didn't trust her husband's winning power or strength (veeram nu thamizh oru alhana varthai irrukku)

4. Sita Asks lakshmanan to find out what is going on...

5. Lakshmana refuses.

6. She tells to lakshmana don't you take the words of your brother's wife and she even speculates Lakshmana's dignity as if he takes advantage of his brother's absence.

That makes Lakshmana angry and leave the place at that moment too, lakshmana think to give a protection ring and uses his power and draws aline not to leave that line. But Again Situation is the cause which makes those things.

Thats one more reason Sita loses the words you guys sayin ega pathini virathai. She doubt lakshmana who she should be considered as her brother. Personally, I don't give damn to those words.

7. Well Lakshmana is not sharing this with his brother which was not a major issue.

anainar
03-16-2004, 05:06 AM
Sri,

You are conveniently side stepping my point of Seetha leaving Raman when she was carrying Lava and Kusa. Do you concede that point in your dissection? Yes or no please

Cheers

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 05:09 AM
Sri,

You are conveniently side stepping my point of Seetha leaving Raman when she was carrying Lava and Kusa. Do you concede that point in your dissection? Yes or no please

Cheers

I answered it. Its yes. Fulla Padinga Iyanaar.. I opened the Krishan part and I gave the story touch of Rama...

Murpagal Seeyin Pirpagal Vilaiyum. As I said Its again situation.

I even explain why Sita was not called as Ega pathini virathai and only Ram.

gokulan42
03-16-2004, 05:24 AM
I have to say this... bravo Sri.

Ram's team has taken the swords ;)

sagi
03-16-2004, 05:34 AM
ok pa, sri pesurathaala nana pesala...periyavanga kita enakku mariyaathai...naan marupadi oruthadava ramayanam padikka poren...:) athukkapuram varen..sri i no u dnt need support..but please call me if u need :)

katteri
03-16-2004, 07:30 AM
Naaan entha katchi????

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 07:47 AM
Plz feel free to join Krishna'a team....just tell Gokulan.

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 07:51 AM
Bluelotus wrote:
I thought Rama asked Laxmana to abandon Janaki in the forest ...while she went with him beliving she was paying a visit to an Ashram...so he set her aside right ...she din't leave him volunteerily??


Well lakshmana didn't want to leave her alone.... when rama was hunting for the deer... appo seetha sonna varthai enna theriyuma?


i was refering to the last part of the Ramayana...when he set her aside ...not the begining of the exile.

suha
03-16-2004, 08:30 AM
seri naan yendha team :Ksp: ..........yaaru.... salman khan .....yaaru.sharukh khan :think: :sm12: :sm12: :sm12: seri seri....yeniyum sethukongo.naan vaneum na appo appo..... paatu padrein.ok va :sm12: :sm12: :sm12:

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 08:41 AM
Krishna team has salman khan, hritic Roshan and sharruk khan....all amalgamated in one...so it's up to u suha.

sagi
03-16-2004, 08:52 AM
suha raman's ream cst ur Sri bhaiya ;) ippi vasathi eppadi ??

san2003
03-16-2004, 09:55 AM
sori guys....i couldn't contribute anything yet ... as sagi mummy said. the topic seems to be active when i'm asleep :(
anyway... i'll come up with my argument soon :) go ram's team ;) hehehe

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 12:55 PM
ok pa, sri pesurathaala nana pesala...periyavanga kita enakku mariyaathai...naan marupadi oruthadava ramayanam padikka poren...:) athukkapuram varen..sri i no u dnt need support..but please call me if u need :)

Periyavanga ellam illai Sagi, I remember Ramayanam from my young age... so markka chance illai. Guku, Enakku velliaya easy pannitar... :D.

Krishna Puranam and Maha Bharatham padichu argue panninatha antha team stand aha oru chance irrukku... illati namma teama onnum panna mudiyathu :sm12:

Blue Lotus, nenga ennatha nenachu sonnengalo theriyalai...

There is no point in dissecting a epic from the last or mid.. it will become meaning less.. thats the reason i'm coming from the beginning.

sWEEtmICHe
03-16-2004, 02:10 PM
HEHE :D

sagi
03-16-2004, 02:18 PM
:( shy a??? ithu naan sri..sagi..enna maranthudicha?? :( eppdi en kooda sandai podalainna ungalukku thookam varathe :(

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 02:35 PM
:( shy a??? ithu naan sri..sagi..enna maranthudicha?? :( eppdi en kooda sandai podalainna ungalukku thookam varathe :(

Yaaro Edit pannitanga Sagi, Yaaro kusumbu pannuranga.. kavanichukiren... I think intha MIche Palla katturathai patha avanga edit pannittu vedikkai pakuranga pola irruku.. mmm pathukiren....

Same team le irrukum pothu naan vambu illukka matten.... and I will be very careful in delivering words... yaarchum change pannina kandu pidichiruven...

Miche intha vilyattu ellam enkitta vennam... :nono:

Shy
03-16-2004, 04:10 PM
Krishna is an emobidment of how to lead a human life.

First this isnt true.. Krishna life padi we should leadnu we werent asked. But just look on how he led his life that all !!!. On the other hand, Raman mathiri valanumnu thaan irukku.


Not the one to follow the beaten track, Krishna always evoked a response of awe and playfulness where ever he went, how ever old he was.

No he isnt. His life is just in youth. Therent any old age in this krishna avatar. Youth agela epapdi avar his life'a enjoy panraarnu thaan irukku!!!. So dont ideal him as a entire man till his old age !!!!


He was a naughty romantic guy on one side, but also a statesman and a political strategist on the other end. He had his roles very well defined and knew what to do and when to do. Let us look at each one of his characterstics.

Common.. We are talking abt a personal life here. Obviously hes a good person and did more.. but in there anything in his personal life that can set an example to anyone around.. is there any epics abt how to lead a family life like krishna's???? Irukaathu.. yaenna.. avarkku oru ponnu oru wife concept illai... which is contrast to our Indian culture and tradition --> one to one (ofcourse man-woman ;))


When he was young, he plays lot with the gopikas. But is there any single instance of them complaining that he crossed the limits? Listen to what they say,

I think I already explained this somewhere... Gopikas a kindal panninaarnu irukku.. he took away their clothes etc.. but hes a god anainar.. avar epapdi panninaar appadi panninaarnu .. avarai oru bad example'a sola mudiyaathu.. So this argument is invalid !!! ;)


This is how a lady feels about Krishna, what else you guys want me to say? This longing for his companionship is unparalleled by anyone.( poem is by great Bharathiar )

கண்ணன் முகம் மறந்து போனால் அந்தக்
கண்களிருந் து பயனுண்டோ
வண்ணப்படமு மில்லை இனி வாழ
வழிஎன்னடி தோழி

Bharathair krishnavai oru chinna kid...oru playful kid everyone likes to have their son.... intha concept thaan soli irukaar.. Did he said anywhere that u got to have a husband like krishna???? ungalukku yaetha mathiri neenga sonna ;)

Aana.. Theres everywhere in our country where unmarried women pray to have a hudband like raman and not like krishnan!!!!


Above all he is a believer and lives life for himself, rather than for others. Rama made Seetha to prove her purity to the outside world, just because two dhobies talked bad about seetha. Kannan believed in Radha and Rukmini never asked them go through the ordeal.

Just think the same concept in the current world!!! A wife is rumored to have a secret affair.... the husband believes in her... but theres this big family, his future family and this society....

Oru secret affair irukku evalukkunu life fulla antha rumor kuuda irukarthukku.. vaerum vayil avul sapidum entha societykku to shut their mouth prove panninathu enna thappu.. Luv and kush ramanku thaan pooranthaangalaanu entha society question kaeka how long will it take. Just to store her respect back, even though he doesnt want, he did for the good of his wife and his future children!!!.. Athai olunga purinchukaama paeseena we cant say anything to that...

Raman saenchathu 100% correct... Sita and his kids are having the respect in this world that they are pure and that was made possible by rama.. If only he hadnt did anything at that time.. it would have created many rumors to flow through !!!!

Wife kasta pataalum, ava karpukku entha questionum vara kuudaathu'nu think pannina raman thaan best as a partner for any wife !!!!

Bad mouth is the worst thing that can happen to any gal in thsi world and a having a guy trying to erase that from her is the most luckiest thing that can happen to any woman !!!!

Again evening post panraen !!!!

Shy

Shy
03-16-2004, 04:16 PM
Gokul, butterfly had asked u right that she cant participate... so try to replace her with someone else :)

Also Raman team except for me and sri yaarum vote cast panalaiyaa .. ellarum romba busy'oo :)

Naan again evening post panraen !!!

Shy

gokulan42
03-16-2004, 04:36 PM
Gokul, butterfly had asked u right that she cant participate... so try to replace her with someone else :)

Also Raman team except for me and sri yaarum vote cast panalaiyaa .. ellarum romba busy'oo :)

Naan again evening post panraen !!!

Shy

Shy, waiting for a good proven replacement. As of now, put sofia there (she does not have time too). If we cant get a replacement, I will join the Ram team... If you know of somebody, let me know

vasan
03-16-2004, 06:53 PM
1) No he isnt. His life is just in youth. Therent any old age in this krishna avatar. Youth agela epapdi avar his life'a enjoy panraarnu thaan irukku!!!. So dont ideal him as a entire man till his old age !!!!

2) Common.. We are talking abt a personal life here. Obviously hes a good person and did more.. but in there anything in his personal life that can set an example to anyone around.. is there any epics abt how to lead a family life like krishna's???? Irukaathu.. yaenna.. avarkku oru ponnu oru wife concept illai... which is contrast to our Indian culture and tradition --> one to one (ofcourse man-woman ;))

3) Aana.. Theres everywhere in our country where unmarried women pray to have a hudband like raman and not like krishnan!!!!

4) Oru secret affair irukku evalukkunu life fulla antha rumor kuuda irukarthukku.. vaerum vayil avul sapidum entha societykku to shut their mouth prove panninathu enna thappu.. Luv and kush ramanku thaan pooranthaangalaanu entha society question kaeka how long will it take. Just to store her respect back, even though he doesnt want, he did for the good of his wife and his future children!!!.. Athai olunga purinchukaama paeseena we cant say anything to that...
Shy

1) On the contrary, Shy.. I think Anainar also talked about his genius, uprightness and sense of duty and justice in Krishna's old age. He was a prankster as a kid, but also a great statesman, wonderful father, uncle, husband, and the stuff is limitless. It is true. Except in the sense of being a one woman man, Rama has not been a great father, and even as a husband mistreats his wife. Indeed, I might go on a limb and say, that Ramayana does not even talk much about love and romance between Rama and Sita.. No love, and wants to show to society how virtuos his wife is, and throws her out pregnant, and does not spend time with his kids... Against a die hard romantic, full of life and zest, trains his kids, been a great trust worthy friend to Arjuna and co, and man... what else you want a person to be..

2) I don't but the concept of 'one man - one woman' being Indian Culture. Except for Raman there is not one person who has been that way. Well.. may be Balaram and Agasthiya.. Who else? Viswamitra? Pandavas? Any other 'human' incarnations? Subramanya? This one woman - one man concept is more recent, and for convenience we think it is indian tradition. For that matter one woman one man is about as rare as complete renouncing of married life and women.. For each person you quote as a one-man-one-woman marriage, we can find examples of pure bachelorhood.. Bhisma was single. Anjaneya was single. Ganesh was single. Don't think that I support polygamy as a current practice - but don't deny it was a part of our past. You may not like it, but it happens to be true.

3) Women in India might pray for husband like Rama - but I think its more a current thought rather than 'always' been the case. Hundred years back having two wives is not a big deal. I wonder if the women those days prayed also for 'one-woman-one-man' person like Rama. People might have wanted a husband like Rama, but that is not because of him being married only to Sita.

4) What ever the reasons are, doubting a woman and wanting to prove her innocence for the world is No-No.. I don't about others, but I don't love the society, but my wife. And if I have to choose, I would rather trust and let my wife in peace and the world to take a long jump. Rama might have been a perfect son - but in my opinion he is not the greatest of all husbands. Sita, Lava/Kusha would agree to that. After all they fought, didn't they.. You don't fight your father, unless his ways are perfectly disagreeable..

Who ever is the next to argue for Krishna will present more points. But I just wanted to bring these points up also... Just couldn'tresist adding..

Vasan

ps: Again, no disrespect is meant for the characters we discuss or the persons with whom we argue. Not in the least. Not intentionally. Never willingly. Forgive me if I was too passionate.

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 06:56 PM
4) What ever the reasons are, doubting a woman and wanting to prove her innocence for the world is No-No.. I don't about others, but I don't love the society, but my wife. And if I have to choose, I would rather trust and let my wife in peace and the world to take a long jump. Rama might have been a perfect son - but in my opinion he is not the greatest of all husbands. Sita, Lava/Kusha would agree to that. After all they fought, didn't they.. You don't fight your father, unless his ways are perfectly disagreeable..



How about sita doubting Lakshmana?

Is that agreeable in your domain... :sm12:

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 06:57 PM
3) Women in India might pray for husband like Rama - but I think its more a current thought rather than 'always' been the case. Hundred years back having two wives is not a big deal. I wonder if the women those days prayed also for 'one-woman-one-man' person like Rama. People might have wanted a husband like Rama, but that is not because of him being married only to Sita.



Please be specific.. so that we can counter argue.

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 06:59 PM
2) I don't but the concept of 'one man - one woman' being Indian Culture. Except for Raman there is not one person who has been that way. Well.. may be Balaram and Agasthiya.. Who else? Viswamitra? Pandavas? Any other 'human' incarnations? Subramanya? This one woman - one man concept is more recent, and for convenience we think it is indian tradition. For that matter one woman one man is about as rare as complete renouncing of married life and women.. For each person you quote as a one-man-one-woman marriage, we can find examples of pure bachelorhood.. Bhisma was single. Anjaneya was single. Ganesh was single. Don't think that I support polygamy as a current practice - but don't deny it was a part of our past. You may not like it, but it happens to be true.


Married life is totally different from a life living as a bachelor.. athukkum krishna kku enna sambantham.

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 07:00 PM
1) On the contrary, Shy.. I think Anainar also talked about his genius, uprightness and sense of duty and justice in Krishna's old age. He was a prankster as a kid, but also a great statesman, wonderful father, uncle, husband, and the stuff is limitless. It is true. Except in the sense of being a one woman man, Rama has not been a great father, and even as a husband mistreats his wife. Indeed, I might go on a limb and say, that Ramayana does not even talk much about love and romance between Rama and Sita.. No love, and wants to show to society how virtuos his wife is, and throws her out pregnant, and does not spend time with his kids... Against a die hard romantic, full of life and zest, trains his kids, been a great trust worthy friend to Arjuna and co, and man... what else you want a person to be..


Story doesn't go that way if you know the Lava Kusha story too...


Ellam seri Krishan side puranam onnum theriyatha? :sm12:

anainar
03-16-2004, 07:34 PM
Rama as a great father? Come on, how long did he stay away from his children Lava and Kusha? It went to the extent of a emerging fight between them, at which they realised they are fighting their father, not before that. Is that the sign of a great father?

For those Krishna baiters, do you know how he marries Rukmini? It is a காந்தர்வ விவாஹம். Rukmini sends a note to him saying she loves him so much and her brother Rukmi is planning to marry her off to some other guy. And there comes our dragon slayer with his army and Balaram. When she goes into the temple to do pooja before marriage, Krishna comes, carries her in his shoulders and drives away. The army of Rukmi was decimated by our Krishna. Is'nt that worth dying for a woman? To get her guy draw sword for her love? Rukmini never looked back and lived happily with Krishna in Dwaraka.

Is there one instance of Rama trying to be romantic with Seetha? Like Vasan said, Ramayana is about everything other than romance and life. To ask a wife to prove her belief for the sake of others is completely unacceptable. Compare that with Krishna. He did not care what other might say. Was man enough to come and take his love. That is manhood. That is what women liked in him and fell for him.

Cheers

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 08:00 PM
Just a quick argument.....
Janaki was Laxmana's older brother's wife....as such he owes her respect and obedience as she should be regarded as both mother and elder sister....Laxmana refused to obey Her request...after all she believed that her husband was in danger......this would lead anyone to question Laxamana's position, don't u think...

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 08:31 PM
Rama as a great father? Come on, how long did he stay away from his children Lava and Kusha? It went to the extent of a emerging fight between them, at which they realised they are fighting their father, not before that. Is that the sign of a great father?


If you watch the way those two kids learn to fight was entirely the father's knowledge.. it is the invisible line which most people forget to see sod did you guys simple as it is.




Just a quick argument.....
Janaki was Laxmana's older brother's wife....as such he owes her respect and obedience as she should be regarded as both mother and elder sister....Laxmana refused to obey Her request...after all she believed that her husband was in danger......this would lead anyone to question Laxamana's position, don't u think...


Speculating about a brother in absence of a husband is way too much..

Thats the reason, Sita was not in the History as she is supposed to be.

Shy
03-16-2004, 08:44 PM
Anianar and Vasan evening vanthu post panraen !!!.. kai thuru thurunu irukku but got to finish something else !!!!

Just a question to u all, including me.. Will ur wife/husband(manasaachi :ee:)accept if u are krishna??? I mean if he has 3 - 4 lovers in his life??? athai first sollunga then paesalaam further!!!!

Sri vidaatheenga.. will come back in the evening :)

Sagi where are u... ennum paesavae ellai neengoo? also San doll... Gokul have u found some replacement for butterfly.. neengalum busya :(... Judge yaaravathu iruka soliteengo.. kalathula gutheenga :)

Shy

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 08:54 PM
specualting at anytime is not a good thing.........whether in the presence of or absence of said husband.
The fact remains that one can never fully trust a third person.

But we have gone into an unnecessary argument here.....
the question is what sort of man would a modern woman prefer...........and the fact remains that the modern man cannot succeed if he fully emulates Rama.
Romance is the spice that enliven relationships even if comapanionship and other reasons brought 2 ppl together in the first place.
Krishna has all the characteristics of an exiting, charismatic and even slightly enigmatic man... what more could a woman ask for?

vasan
03-16-2004, 09:02 PM
Krishna has all the characteristics of an exiting, charismatic and even slightly enigmatic man... what more could a woman ask for?


You mean exciting, right Blues? Just so the opp team members would not interpret it to something and base their arguments on it.. :wink: :wink:

And to add to Shy's comments: The question they should also ask is if they want to marry some one who would throw you out when you are pregnant, just to avoid the 'SOCIETY' talking some stuff. Also ask if your kids had to live with no knowledge of their illustrious father - as though they were some unwanted children.. Would the women 'in their concious' prefer such a person as the dad for her children? I wonder.. Love, and trust are paramount in a relationship. Where it does not exist, there no relationship, in truth. Some sort of contractual obligation may be.. but no relationship.

Vasan

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 09:08 PM
specualting at anytime is not a good thing.........whether in the presence of or absence of said husband.
The fact remains that one can never fully trust a third person.

But we have gone into an unnecessary argument here.....
the question is what sort of man would a modern woman prefer...........and the fact remains that the modern man cannot succeed if he fully emulates Rama.
Romance is the spice that enliven relationships even if comapanionship and other reasons brought 2 ppl together in the first place.
Krishna has all the characteristics of an exiting, charismatic and even slightly enigmatic man... what more could a woman ask for?

Do you consider your brother as Third Person?

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 09:09 PM
oops typo sorry...thanx mate
Well to folow both Shy's question and Vasan .....No I wouldn't mind being in a relationship with a man like Krishna. will explain later...although I kinda stated this already....and so did Reks

vasan
03-16-2004, 09:13 PM
Do you consider your brother as Third Person?

Yes. Between me and my wife, any one else is a third person. Including my mom, her mom, my dad, her dad.. and a billion siblings.. !! Ask any married person, how they feel about their mom-in-law when they come between them and their spouses..

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 09:17 PM
My brother is my brother, his is not mine...hence why he is known as brother-in-law
(Tamil too has different words for each....mine would be Thambi while his would be -------/Atthan?...I don't know the word mate)
of course over time bonds created by marriage will strengthen ...but to establish such trust it does take time.................after all the world is a terrible place and awful things happen all the time, one can never be too careful
She just got married to this dude ...u want her to trust the guy's brother already? for all his famed integrity he could be a beast in disguise...........the whole thing is called self-preservation.

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 09:21 PM
Yes. Between me and my wife, any one else is a third person. Including my mom, her mom, my dad, her dad.. and a billion siblings.. !! Ask any married person, how they feel about their mom-in-law when they come between them and their spouses..


After a long Loop,

Lately I found Krishna team is not seperated from the common term "Doubt" :sm12:

Welcome to the world.

Shy
03-16-2004, 09:23 PM
specualting at anytime is not a good thing.........whether in the presence of or absence of said husband.
The fact remains that one can never fully trust a third person.

But we have gone into an unnecessary argument here.....
the question is what sort of man would a modern woman prefer...........and the fact remains that the modern man cannot succeed if he fully emulates Rama.
Romance is the spice that enliven relationships even if comapanionship and other reasons brought 2 ppl together in the first place.
Krishna has all the characteristics of an exiting, charismatic and even slightly enigmatic man... what more could a woman ask for?

Life is not just with some existing playful activities alone. Its about how truthful u are with a person and how dedicated u are with them and as "Indian Culture" says do u follow into that one man- one woman manners!!! Modern man pathi thaan paesuroom, but an Indian man. And also modern woman thaan, but an Indian woman. Other countries even before marriage u have the concept of dating as many as u like and marry and also have many affairs. But in Indian culture, we still maintain this.Oruthanukku oruthi thaan varaimurai.. Athuku vithi vilaka irukarthu Raman not krishnan.

Shy

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 09:25 PM
u may doubt a third person and act on it...but to doubt and not trust ur wife or husband is a different thing ....worse is not to doubt but behave as if u do for society's sake

Bluelotus
03-16-2004, 09:29 PM
:ee: Dear Shy ...I only want one man ...but can he plz be exciting and charismatic, a lifetime is a terribly long time
if he has loved many..then he shall know what love is, right? He shall know the pain and suffering, as well as the joy and elation it brings to one's soul......

*ok ok I'm just taking the mickey now....couldn't help it*

anainar
03-16-2004, 09:39 PM
Shy,

We dented that truthful argument with Rama asking for Agni paritchai. IF some one is so truthful and trusts the other person why should he ask her to prove her innocence? Dont you think that is not truthfullness? Or succumbing to compulsions? Ithukku pathil sollunga, then we will talk about Raman as role model husband.

Cheers

sri_gan
03-16-2004, 10:37 PM
Shy,

We dented that truthful argument with Rama asking for Agni paritchai. IF some one is so truthful and trusts the other person why should he ask her to prove her innocence? Dont you think that is not truthfullness? Or succumbing to compulsions? Ithukku pathil sollunga, then we will talk about Raman as role model husband.

Cheers

1. What are you so much on a peaceful soul who didn't even know his wife doubted about his own brother lakshmana? What if it happens with your life... Summa sita Innocent nu sollurengalae thavira... you are not getting the points which was hidden for our thoughts.

Appuram Krishna Puranam.

If you understand your argument... Krishna na vaa Meera love pannina avar love panna mattaru... Radha va love pannuvaru.. anna Rukumaniya thoookittu poiduvaru...

Ithellam ungalukku ok...

Raman mari oru ega pathini virathan... surpanagaiya verattunavan... pora kalam princhu irrunthu athukku punnagiyoda mugam sulikama irrukuravan avan patthu enna sakku sollurengappa...

suha
03-17-2004, 12:05 AM
:ush: shhhhhhhhhh..... dont disturb me.......i am watching :think: :think: :think: :think:

Shy
03-17-2004, 01:50 AM
:ee: Dear Shy ...I only want one man ...but can he plz be exciting and charismatic, a lifetime is a terribly long time
if he has loved many..then he shall know what love is, right? He shall know the pain and suffering, as well as the joy and elation it brings to one's soul......

*ok ok I'm just taking the mickey now....couldn't help it*

Bluelotus.. exactly my point !!!!

Pastla yaarai vaenna love panni irukalaam.. but ungalai love panarapoo.. will u accept if hes in the same time in love with other girls too????

Raman mathiri yaeka pathini virathana iruka vaendaam.. atleast after marriage wife matum thaanau irukanum illaiya.. thats what we are saying.. krishna mathiri more than one wives iruntha is that ok with any girl???

What I am saying is krishnaa love is never past tense.. everything concurrently !!1 eppo sollunga !!!

Hope I cleared the confusion u had abt krishna ;)

Shy

Shy
03-17-2004, 01:54 AM
Shy,

We dented that truthful argument with Rama asking for Agni paritchai. IF some one is so truthful and trusts the other person why should he ask her to prove her innocence? Dont you think that is not truthfullness? Or succumbing to compulsions? Ithukku pathil sollunga, then we will talk about Raman as role model husband.

Cheers

Naan already soli irunthaen neenga padikalai poola irukku.. so repeatin it again

"
Just think the same concept in the current world!!! A wife is rumored to have a secret affair.... the husband believes in her... but theres this big family, his future family and this society....

Oru secret affair irukku evalukkunu life fulla antha rumor kuuda irukarthukku.. vaerum vayil avul sapidum entha societykku to shut their mouth prove panninathu enna thappu.. Luv and kush ramanku thaan pooranthaangalaanu entha society question kaeka how long will it take. Just to store her respect back, even though he doesnt want, he did for the good of his wife and his future children!!!.. Athai olunga purinchukaama paeseena we cant say anything to that...

Raman saenchathu 100% correct... Sita and his kids are having the respect in this world that they are pure and that was made possible by rama.. If only he hadnt did anything at that time.. it would have created many rumors to flow through !!!!

Wife kasta pataalum, ava karpukku entha questionum vara kuudaathu'nu think pannina raman thaan best as a partner for any wife !!!!

Bad mouth is the worst thing that can happen to any gal in thsi world and a having a guy trying to erase that from her is the most luckiest thing that can happen to any woman !!!!

"

Shy

gokulan42
03-17-2004, 01:57 AM
I resigned my judge post and decided to join the Ram team (they need it). So, here I come.

I would like to point out some diversion tactics used by teh krishna team members. Infact they are good at it, I accept.

First of all, everybody (ladies & gents) would like to have a kid like Gokula krishna ;) for sure :) We all would agree there. So, there is no point in bragging about krishna's infant heriocs here. But, when it comes to having a hubby, no way :nono: Sure the vote goes to Ram. No lady wants her guy to even look at other gals.. forget about sharing for life... are you kidding me :Ksp:

Second and very important one, nobody here is comparing who is a better king. I may say Ram was a bad king in accepting his people's opinion to send his dearest wife (note he did NOT suspect his wife which is bad) to the forest. And, I will even say Krishna was far better king than Ram ever was... But, who cares. Here, we are discussing about what kinda guy a lady want NOW. There are not much kingdoms and there is not enough kings for that possibility. So, lets not discuss the issue of why and how Ram sent his wife to forest.

I will be back....

anainar
03-17-2004, 02:10 AM
Aaha! Judge himself has joined the ring. Welcome to the ring Guku. You guys are going to knocked out soon.

We were not talking about who is a better king at all. Ram just because he wanted to be a better king or atleast look like a better king, decided to send Seetha on Agni paritchai that she disowned him and went to jungle for giving birth to a baby. We are not talking about his king qualities, but a husband qualities. He has succumbed to the fallacy and drew flak both as a king and husband.

Krishna is not only liked as a small boy. Shy misconstrues what I wrote as representing kid. That song has tonnes of love and longing in it. Ithellaam summa padichaa theriyaathu, anubavichu padikkanum.

Krishna might have had many wives( not true actually, he has two wives, Rukmini and Radha ). Rest of the girls fell in love with him. Do not bring Andaal or Meera into his wives bracket. They are not. But can you tell one instance of his wives leaving him? For what ever reasons?

Because he believed in them, took care of them and was ready to draw sword and fight for Rukmini. That is what we are talking about how to be a good husband. Some one who evokes so much passion in his women that they cant imagine life without him. That is what we are talking about.

Where is our Dissection master? Come on, let us dissect.

Cheers

Bluelotus
03-17-2004, 02:13 AM
oh bogus...can I be judge instead??
Where is Dinesh he has yet to post...so far I have only seen Anainar, Reks and Vasan...

Shy
03-17-2004, 02:16 AM
1) On the contrary, Shy.. I think Anainar also talked about his genius, uprightness and sense of duty and justice in Krishna's old age. He was a prankster as a kid, but also a great statesman, wonderful father, uncle, husband, and the stuff is limitless. It is true. Except in the sense of being a one woman man, Rama has not been a great father, and even as a husband mistreats his wife. Indeed, I might go on a limb and say, that Ramayana does not even talk much about love and romance between Rama and Sita.. No love, and wants to show to society how virtuos his wife is, and throws her out pregnant, and does not spend time with his kids... Against a die hard romantic, full of life and zest, trains his kids, been a great trust worthy friend to Arjuna and co, and man... what else you want a person to be..

First Whatever he did in mahabarath he didnt do in his old age he was still a youthful guy and also avar sense of duty ellam irukalaam.. appadi paartha u know how many years people were happy with raman as king??? krishna support thaan panni irukaar.. but raman was the best king around !!! I think everyone knows the story of how good rama was a king and how happy and peaceful his people were...

Second.. neenga olunga ramayana padikalainu nenaikuraen.. The main concept in that is how dutyful a wife should be and how a husband should take care of her when the entire society bad mouths her... BTW athu enna training kids.. krishnakku kidsa.. oii vasan.... krishna is a avatar of vishu to show joyness thats it.. hes no family man...first athai therinchukoonga


2) I don't but the concept of 'one man - one woman' being Indian Culture. Except for Raman there is not one person who has been that way. Well.. may be Balaram and Agasthiya.. Who else? Viswamitra? Pandavas? Any other 'human' incarnations? Subramanya? This one woman - one man concept is more recent, and for convenience we think it is indian tradition. For that matter one woman one man is about as rare as complete renouncing of married life and women.. For each person you quote as a one-man-one-woman marriage, we can find examples of pure bachelorhood.. Bhisma was single. Anjaneya was single. Ganesh was single. Don't think that I support polygamy as a current practice - but don't deny it was a part of our past. You may not like it, but it happens to be true.

We are here talking abt what a girl prefers.. Do u saw appo chinna veedu and paeriya vedu iruntha ok.. ellarum happya irupaanganu sola vareengala??? Sorry for this sentence, but I had to use it.. Indian culture'la oru husbandkku oru wife thaan.. what u say for that.. yes or no...
Its for for convience i am saying it.. its the fact. Stand urself in that postiion or anyone u love and think if u can share ur love??? So a girl enna prefer panaranu thaan wnga wuestion, A girl doesnt want her man to be shared. Thats the basic point here.. so bachelor, etc etc ellam engae we cant argue.. Commona oru gal life lead pana aasai padura.. Will she accept her husband to be shared ???? Answer me that!!!


3) Women in India might pray for husband like Rama - but I think its more a current thought rather than 'always' been the case. Hundred years back having two wives is not a big deal. I wonder if the women those days prayed also for 'one-woman-one-man' person like Rama. People might have wanted a husband like Rama, but that is not because of him being married only to Sita.

Thats my point exactly.. anatha kaalathula when u can have 100 wives, Rama stood different and was only with Sita.

Antha kaalathulaiyae appadi iruntha Raman mathiri eppo when many can change and cheat.. avarai mathiri varanumnu yaethir pakarathula enna thappu??? Athai vitutu krishnan mathiri vaenumna vaendipaanga?? sollunga




4) What ever the reasons are, doubting a woman and wanting to prove her innocence for the world is No-No.. I don't about others, but I don't love the society, but my wife. And if I have to choose, I would rather trust and let my wife in peace and the world to take a long jump. Rama might have been a perfect son - but in my opinion he is not the greatest of all husbands. Sita, Lava/Kusha would agree to that. After all they fought, didn't they.. You don't fight your father, unless his ways are perfectly disagreeable..

U know why they have court.. Not just to punish the criminals.. But also a place where people when thought as criminals, give them a chance to prove their innocence. Namba paesalaam.. but as a girl, just imagine how sita would have felt when the society questioned her about her karppu and not only that what abt the future kids.. if only rama hadnt proved.. ennaiku luv kush ramankku thaan poranthavangalanu kaepaanga.. unda ellaiyaa????

U might not agree, but everyone(The enite indian culture and tradition) agrees hes the prefect husband who restored sitas value back to her - her karppu - which is most important for any girls life !!!!! And sita herself will then join her husband!!! Athu theriyumma theriyaatha??? if she doesnt like rama, then why didnt she spend her entire life alone ????

Shy

vasan
03-17-2004, 02:43 AM
First Whatever he did in mahabarath he didnt do in his old age he was still a youthful guy and also avar sense of duty ellam irukalaam.. appadi paartha u know how many years people were happy with raman as king??? krishna support thaan panni irukaar.. but raman was the best king around !!! I think everyone knows the story of how good rama was a king and how happy and peaceful his people were...

Second.. neenga olunga ramayana padikalainu nenaikuraen.. The main concept in that is how dutyful a wife should be and how a husband should take care of her when the entire society bad mouths her... BTW athu enna training kids.. krishnakku kidsa.. oii vasan.... krishna is a avatar of vishu to show joyness thats it.. hes no family man...first athai therinchukoonga

Commona oru gal life lead pana aasai padura.. Will she accept her husband to be shared ???? Answer me that!!!

Antha kaalathulaiyae appadi iruntha Raman mathiri eppo when many can change and cheat.. avarai mathiri varanumnu yaethir pakarathula enna thappu??? Athai vitutu krishnan mathiri vaenumna vaendipaanga?? sollunga

U know why they have court.. Not just to punish the criminals.. But also a place where people when thought as criminals, give them a chance to prove their innocence. Namba paesalaam.. but as a girl, just imagine how sita would have felt when the society questioned her about her karppu and not only that what abt the future kids.. if only rama hadnt proved.. ennaiku luv kush ramankku thaan poranthavangalanu kaepaanga.. unda ellaiyaa????Shy

I love the spirit of your arguments Shy. And adore the bold and colorful things too.. :D

1) Don't tell me Rama was the best King - Krishna ruled too. He was a great king. And a wonderful husband. Not one word of complaint from his many wives. On the other hand, if Sita didn't complain its because she was patient !! But answer me: Who was a better husband?

2) Krishna avator is not to show the joyness of life. It is to establish Dharma. As all the avators are. As a husband, as a friend, as a warrior and as a statesman. And yes, I did read (though a long time ago) the epics. Krishna was married, had children and brought them up well too.. Want me to name the sons or can I just refer you to the Seven Volumes of Krishnaavatara by the founder of Bharathiya Vidya Bhavan, KM Munshi? Krishna was great husband and a wonderful father.

3) Will the girls say ok to share her husband? well.. To start with it is illegal in this country (both in US and in India according to hindu and christian marriage acts!!) so, I assume you are asking if the girls are ok if their guys flirt around? Ask Rukmini, Bhama, Radha.. But also ask Sita, if its ok when her husband questions her integrity for the sake of some 'society'... And publicly humiliates her too (how else do you describe his act of asking her to enter the fire?!)

4) While on asking mode, just ask where the innocent has to prove his/her innocense in court? Even Ravana would not have asked. Perhaps in some dictators place. Every where the burden of proof is always on the accuser.. I am innocent until proven guilty. So is Sita. This is really not dharma.

5) Right.. freely extraploting, every mom has to go through this check by the fire, just to prove to the society that she has integrity.... And every DAD should insist his wife to go through it, just to show what a great person he is and how pure his wife is.. Sorry. I think good husbands have to care more about a girl who stood by him all those terrible days in the forest, than worry about what a society would think...

Given the danger of living with some one who doesn't trust you any thing else would be better..
hey, its just not about husbands.. same thing for wife too.. if my wife or girl friend suggests she does not trust me.. whats there in a relationship? TRUST is the root of it..

Vasan

vasan
03-17-2004, 02:47 AM
U know why they have court.. Not just to punish the criminals.. But also a place where people when thought as criminals, give them a chance to prove their innocence. Namba paesalaam.. but as a girl, just imagine how sita would have felt when the society questioned her about her karppu and not only that what abt the future kids.. if only rama hadnt proved.. ennaiku luv kush ramankku thaan poranthavangalanu kaepaanga.. unda ellaiyaa????

U might not agree, but everyone(The enite indian culture and tradition) agrees hes the prefect husband who restored sitas value back to her - her karppu - which is most important for any girls life !!!!! And sita herself will then join her husband!!! Athu theriyumma theriyaatha??? if she doesnt like rama, then why didnt she spend her entire life alone ????

Shy

Sita was always virtuous. No one need to restore the value back to her. Integrity & Karppu are not characteristic that has to be proven. It is inherent. Its value does not increase because people see it, its value does not go down because people don't believe a person is virtuous. Isn't that the very idea of the epics? Truth and satyam will always win at the end? Not the suspecting society? Where then the need to purification by fire?

Bluelotus
03-17-2004, 02:55 AM
go Vasan dude :b:

gokulan42
03-17-2004, 03:06 AM
:ee: Dear Shy ...I only want one man ...but can he plz be exciting and charismatic, a lifetime is a terribly long time
Blues, thanks for conceding. Thats the debate. With Krishna you cannot have the complete "ONE" man, you need to share him with so many others. I hope you got it. Wanna join our team :lol:

Shy
03-17-2004, 03:12 AM
I love the spirit of your arguments Shy. And adore the bold and colorful things too.. :D

I love urs too. suprisingly with points ;)


1) Don't tell me Rama was the best King - Krishna ruled too. He was a great king. And a wonderful husband. Not one word of complaint from his many wives. On the other hand, if Sita didn't complain its because she was patient !! But answer me: Who was a better husband?

I didnt start abt the duty of sense or how bhisma wanted to meet him, u guys atarted it and now coming back to the same thign I said before.. lets just talk abt whoes the best husband !!!


2) Krishna avator is not to show the joyness of life. It is to establish Dharma. As all the avators are. As a husband, as a friend, as a warrior and as a statesman. And yes, I did read (though a long time ago) the epics. Krishna was married, had children and brought them up well too.. Want me to name the sons or can I just refer you to the Seven Volumes of Krishnaavatara by the founder of Bharathiya Vidya Bhavan, KM Munshi? Krishna was great husband and a wonderful father.

Nope Mahabharatha matum thaan Dharma... As a whole krishna avatar is to prove joyness.. He's a symbol of prefect joy !!!! BTW can u name one place where rama was protrayed as a bad husband and father????? Naanum padichu irukaen long back .. abt this krishna, i will confirm if he had kids in this krishna avatar ;) and will let u know !!!!


3) Will the girls say ok to share her husband? well.. To start with it is illegal in this country (both in US and in India according to hindu and christian marriage acts!!) so, I assume you are asking if the girls are ok if their guys flirt around? Ask Rukmini, Bhama, Radha.. But also ask Sita, if its ok when her husband questions her integrity for the sake of some 'society'... And publicly humiliates her too (how else do you describe his act of asking her to enter the fire?!)

Illegalo ellaiyoo.. if its possible will a girl accept that? Ennoda husband schedule systemla thaan paka mudiyumna will she agree to that? Whya re u saying abt flirting we are not talking abt his ex gfs, sights etc.. we are taling abt more than one wife... Sita.. eppadiyum after agni exam i am going to leave rama and be in forest thaanae pooga pooraen.. why should i do agni exam for u.. I am leaving u and going to forestnu poi irukalaam la.. yaen ava appadi panalai.. Because she also has to prove her purity to the world !!! Vasan, ungalukku antha feeling ellam theriyaathu when someone questions a wife if the kid shes carrying is really her husbands !!!! So not only rama wanted to safeguard his wife, but sita wanted too !!!!




4) While on asking mode, just ask where the innocent has to prove his/her innocense in court? Even Ravana would not have asked. Perhaps in some dictators place. Every where the burden of proof is always on the accuser.. I am innocent until proven guilty. So is Sita. This is really not dharma.

Who said thats dharma.. I dont know how come stopping the society from bad mouthing his wife is dharma...its his duty as her husband. Onnu society enna paeseena enakku enna, i belive hernu irunthu irukanum.. the society will talk as much as they can and as I am again and again saying... can spoil the life of luv and kush.. why cant u say somethign for that???? husband wife nalla understand panni irukalaam.. what abt the life of the kids.. they are just clay.. how can lead a happy life... evalvu paakuroom.. killers son even if good is branded killers son..... just imagine if nothing is proved, what will be the name for luv and kush????? More than proving.. its they value thats getting restored.. as I am saying if u think a sec as a girl u will know the value of it !!!!


5) Right.. freely extraploting, every mom has to go through this check by the fire, just to prove to the society that she has integrity.... And every DAD should insist his wife to go through it, just to show what a great person he is and how pure his wife is.. Sorry. I think good husbands have to care more about a girl who stood by him all those terrible days in the forest, than worry about what a society would think...

Again naan previousa sonna point thaan.. just narrow mindeda think panama, futurela ennai pathi enna vae solalaam..but ennoda wife sita and her kidskku entha bad namesum iruka kuudathunu he had done that. May be he would have known that u will question me like that :lol: :lol:

Common are we following the same stuff as before.. Appo angi thaan answer for proving the purity... Athukunu eppo irukara affairs ellam agni vachu prove pana mudiyumma.. Dont compare the ways how rama proved it.. But see this character how he safguarded hsi wifes purity !!!!!


Given the danger of living with some one who doesn't trust you any thing else would be better..
hey, its just not about husbands.. same thing for wife too.. if my wife or girl friend suggests she does not trust me.. whats there in a relationship? TRUST is the root of it..

I wont accept that at all.. Rama not having trust'a.. nalla twist panreengalae unga debatekku yaetha mathiri.. :nono: :nono: :nono: how many times should i have to explain that he had to do this to restore the purity of his wife and future kids ???? Engae eppadi no- trust vanthathu..

Thats it for today guys !! going to sleep :) nalaikku evening pakuraen !!!

Shy

Shy
03-17-2004, 03:18 AM
Sita was always virtuous. No one need to restore the value back to her. Integrity & Karppu are not characteristic that has to be proven. It is inherent. Its value does not increase because people see it, its value does not go down because people don't believe a person is virtuous. Isn't that the very idea of the epics? Truth and satyam will always win at the end? Not the suspecting society? Where then the need to purification by fire?

First, Sita agni exam yaeduthu thaan she became the god we know of !! Athu varaikkum she was a dutiful wife... The earth god accepted her because of her purity athu thaan made her the person u know how.. Also raman wife sitanu thaan her name irukku in epics..remember that,, antha name kuduthu respectful persona vachu irunthathu raman !!!!Just kaekuraen.. kanakki madurai yaerikama irunthu irunthaana... madhavi kuuda ava husband poorathai patiencea paarthutu will u know her now????

Shy

gokulan42
03-17-2004, 03:19 AM
1) On the contrary, Shy.. I think Anainar also talked about his genius, uprightness and sense of duty and justice in Krishna's old age. He was a prankster as a kid, but also a great statesman, wonderful father, uncle, husband, and the stuff is limitless.
Hey Vasan dude. LEts stop right here before we jump further, shall we ;)
I am not going to argue with you on who is a better father, uncle and other limitless stuff. Bcoz, the topic here is very straight and clear. What kinda guy the ladies want: So, only consider the husband part. Obviously, Ram compltly belongs to Sita and nobody else. We all know the leelaus of our gokula krishna, right ;)



2) I don't but the concept of 'one man - one woman' being Indian Culture.
Most of the modern cultures have this one man - one woman concept. Come on.... Polygamy is crime in so many places :lol:


3) Women in India might pray for husband like Rama - but I think its more a current thought rather than 'always' been the case. Hundred years back having two wives is not a big deal. I wonder if the women those days prayed also for 'one-woman-one-man' person like Rama. People might have wanted a husband like Rama, but that is not because of him being married only to Sita.
Thanks for conceding, VAsan :lol: Guys, lets celebrate ;)
Havew you read the topic of the debate. It is current... What kinda guys female want :lol:


4) What ever the reasons are, doubting a woman and wanting to prove her innocence for the world is No-No.. I don't about others, but I don't love the society, but my wife. And if I have to choose, I would rather trust and let my wife in peace and the world to take a long jump. Rama might have been a perfect son - but in my opinion he is not the greatest of all husbands. Sita, Lava/Kusha would agree to that. After all they fought, didn't they.. You don't fight your father, unless his ways are perfectly disagreeable..

Interesting... Here you say Rama was a perfect dad. And in your first bullet, you were trying hard to portray Krishna as a wonderful father. hmmmm...


I already clearly established in my earliar point. I can give you proper evidence to prove that Raman never doubted or suspected Sita. However, as a king (remember the time frame, guys), he had to do that as a king (maybe a bad king). But, always the best hubby. Thats why as you said yourself in your earliar bullet,m women wants Ram kinda guy NOW.

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Bluelotus
03-17-2004, 03:23 AM
:ee: Dear Shy ...I only want one man ...but can he plz be exciting and charismatic, a lifetime is a terribly long time
Blues, thanks for conceding. Thats the debate. With Krishna you cannot have the complete "ONE" man, you need to share him with so many others. I hope you got it. Wanna join our team :lol: :nono:

I said I want one man as opposed to many :ee:
No, thank you kindly...I don't want a Man like Rama :Ksp:

Gokula Gokula u r setting urself up mate :ahha: ....Krishna not a complete man?

will come back later....

gokulan42
03-17-2004, 03:28 AM
Aaha! Judge himself has joined the ring. Welcome to the ring Guku. You guys are going to knocked out soon.
Watch out, Guru. Too little too early ;) We already started to pick up your holes. We may be less in number but we got lotsa wins ;)


We were not talking about who is a better king at all. Ram just because he wanted to be a better king or atleast look like a better king, decided to send Seetha on Agni paritchai that she disowned him and went to jungle for giving birth to a baby. We are not talking about his king qualities, but a husband qualities. He has succumbed to the fallacy and drew flak both as a king and husband.
Sita disowned him? Which Ramayana is that? I dint hear anything like that :lol: The rest of your post went astray. But, I still continue as there are some holes, you no :ee:



Krishna might have had many wives( not true actually, he has two wives, Rukmini and Radha ). Rest of the girls fell in love with him. Do not bring Andaal or Meera into his wives bracket. They are not. But can you tell one instance of his wives leaving him? For what ever reasons?
First of all, you yourself got confused in counting, huh? You dont read about the failures of a great hero, that too a god, comeon... we never know about that. However, in Ram's case, its well proven that soorpanakai wanted him madly and that is the root cause of the whole ramayana, isn't it? So, gals fell for Rama too. But, he dint encourage that for his true love for Sita :b:


Because he believed in them, took care of them and was ready to draw sword and fight for Rukmini. That is what we are talking about how to be a good husband. Some one who evokes so much passion in his women that they cant imagine life without him. That is what we are talking about.
Hey, Rama went to Srilanka for his wife Sita. What more you want? Come on... What Rama did for Sita can never be compared to what krishna did for which wife you are talking, oh Rukmani :lol:


Where is our Dissection master? Come on, let us dissect.

Cheers

No way, we are NOT going to allow your team to dissect anymore :)

Bluelotus
03-17-2004, 03:33 AM
:ee: Dear Shy ...I only want one man ...but can he plz be exciting and charismatic, a lifetime is a terribly long time
if he has loved many..then he shall know what love is, right? He shall know the pain and suffering, as well as the joy and elation it brings to one's soul......

*ok ok I'm just taking the mickey now....couldn't help it*

Bluelotus.. exactly my point !!!!

Pastla yaarai vaenna love panni irukalaam.. but ungalai love panarapoo.. will u accept if hes in the same time in love with other girls too????

Raman mathiri yaeka pathini virathana iruka vaendaam.. atleast after marriage wife matum thaanau irukanum illaiya.. thats what we are saying.. krishna mathiri more than one wives iruntha is that ok with any girl???

What I am saying is krishnaa love is never past tense.. everything concurrently !!1 eppo sollunga !!!

Hope I cleared the confusion u had abt krishna ;)

Shy

Another one liner cos otherwise I'll be here forever:
do u forget ur first crush........ur first anything....do u stop loving them....no.....can u still love ur wife while having a spot in ur heart for all ur first blah blah blahs....yes of course u can.

gokulan42
03-17-2004, 03:35 AM
:ee: Dear Shy ...I only want one man ...but can he plz be exciting and charismatic, a lifetime is a terribly long time
Blues, thanks for conceding. Thats the debate. With Krishna you cannot have the complete "ONE" man, you need to share him with so many others. I hope you got it. Wanna join our team :lol: :nono:

I said I want one man as opposed to many :ee:
You can not have 1 man in the case of Krishna. You need to have a small part of one guy. May be then a gal should think of adding those many guys until she gets 1 man. In teh case Ram, she gets one when she chooses one. Simple maths, see :)


No, thank you kindly...I don't want a Man like Rama :Ksp:
Well, mate. Go and do your maths :lol:


Gokula Gokula u r setting urself up mate :ahha: ....Krishna not a complete man?

will come back later....
Oh ho, dint I say that I am like a Ram. My name sounds Gokul, but I am Ram in every aspect. which means... yes, I am a complete man :b: It is a sidetrack... lets move on to the main track, shall we... You guys are good at it, isn't it?

gokulan42
03-17-2004, 03:47 AM
1) Don't tell me Rama was the best King - Krishna ruled too. He was a great king.

oh yeah *yawning* ok. he is a great king... so what ;)


And a wonderful husband. Not one word of complaint from his many wives. On the other hand, if Sita didn't complain its because she was patient !! But answer me: Who was a better husband?
If sita does not complain, that was because she was patient, and we cannot come to the same conclusion in the case of kannan's list of ladies... what a logic :lol: who else can come up with a gem like this :lol: except our dear vasan :)

But, there are instances kannans gals get upset and that too quite often. If you are ready to concede on this, I will dig and come up with an evidence, how is that ;)


2) Krishna avator is not to show the joyness of life. It is to establish Dharma. As all the avators are. As a husband, as a friend, as a warrior and as a statesman. And yes, I did read (though a long time ago) the epics. Krishna was married, had children and brought them up well too.. Want me to name the sons or can I just refer you to the Seven Volumes of Krishnaavatara by the founder of Bharathiya Vidya Bhavan, KM Munshi? Krishna was great husband and a wonderful father.
Again, the greatness of VAsan, isn't it ;) No more diversion please... We can have a different topic of which kinda dad the kids like :lol:


3) Will the girls say ok to share her husband? well.. To start with it is illegal in this country (both in US and in India according to hindu and christian marriage acts!!) so, I assume you are asking if the girls are ok if their guys flirt around? Ask Rukmini, Bhama, Radha.. But also ask Sita, if its ok when her husband questions her integrity for the sake of some 'society'... And publicly humiliates her too (how else do you describe his act of asking her to enter the fire?!)
just flirting.... what do you mean when you say illegal? Kobe's case.... however, lets not go beyond this here. But, it is ridiculous to imply just bcoz something is illegal, it wudnt happen. We all know kobe (again)...



Given the danger of living with some one who doesn't trust you any thing else would be better..
hey, its just not about husbands.. same thing for wife too.. if my wife or girl friend suggests she does not trust me.. whats there in a relationship? TRUST is the root of it..

Vasan

WOW, you put TRUST in the caps to emphasize forgetting thats what is lacking in krishna kinda guys, right ;) How can a wife trust her hubby, when she knows that he is of krishna quality ;)

anainar
03-17-2004, 04:00 AM
Sita disowned him? Which Ramayana is that? I dint hear anything like that The rest of your post went astray. But, I still continue as there are some holes, you no

Guku,

The Ramayana does not end after the war with Ravanaa. All the agni paritchai happens after he returns from the war. Do you know where Sita gave birth to Lava and Kusa? Not in the presence of your role model Rama. She went away from him, delivered the babies in a Rishi's ashram and the sons never met their father till they challened Rama himself. Read that part of the epic also before saying I am going astry dude.

Mandothari fell for Rama? What nonsense is that? She is a great lady who helped Seetha when she was in captivation at Lanka. Where did you study that Mandothari fell for Rama? Guku, vaaiyai kuduthu maatikiteenga. :lol: :lol:

Soorpanakai fell for Rama, but she was a Rakshashi and not a graceful lady. Enna solreenga ippo?

Rama went to Lanka after she became his wife. That any normal husband would do. Krishna went for a battle even before Rukmini was his wife. He was ready to draw sword even though she just loved him and was not even his wife. Enna kanna, solrathu artham vilanguthaa?

Cheers

gokulan42
03-17-2004, 04:12 AM
Sita disowned him? Which Ramayana is that? I dint hear anything like that The rest of your post went astray. But, I still continue as there are some holes, you no

Guku,

The Ramayana does not end after the war with Ravanaa. All the agni paritchai happens after he returns from the war. Do you know where Sita gave birth to Lava and Kusa? Not in the presence of your role model Rama. She went away from him, delivered the babies in a Rishi's ashram and the sons never met their father till they challened Rama himself. Read that part of the epic also before saying I am going astry dude.
That and all ok, guru. But, did Sita disown Rama? That is a big sweeping statement, you know ;)


Mandothari fell for Rama? What nonsense is that? She is a great lady who helped Seetha when she was in captivation at Lanka. Where did you study that Mandothari fell for Rama? Guku, vaaiyai kuduthu maatikiteenga. :lol: :lol:
That was a slip :) But, we never know.. Mandothari might have had something too ;) But, that does not change the point I was making there. Ram rejected the offers he got where as your gokula kannan went after poor helpless gals. Remember, he was the king (and god too) with all the power...


Soorpanakai fell for Rama, but she was a Rakshashi and not a graceful lady. Enna solreenga ippo?
Hey, I will quote here one famous personility in geetham here ;) He said (and he is in your team) that every gal has some beauty in them. Ram being such a great guy cuda seen that easily if he wanted too :)


Rama went to Lanka after she became his wife. That any normal husband would do. Krishna went for a battle even before Rukmini was his wife. He was ready to draw sword even though she just loved him and was not even his wife. Enna kanna, solrathu artham vilanguthaa?

Can you explain how Ram married Sita. Looks like we forgot Ramayana here ;)

reks
03-17-2004, 04:51 AM
Ram rejected the offers he got where as your gokula kannan went after poor helpless gals


goks to be exact... Ram didnt get many offers, but from one ratchasi Soorpanakai... wat big deal... :ahha:

and nope.. krishna never went afer all those girls.. those girls liked him, cos he was worthy of it... and theres not a single instance whcih says krishna took undue advantage of any of them...




Most of the modern cultures have this one man - one woman concept. Come on.... Polygamy is crime in so many places

nope... if u take most of the epics, men had more than one wife... and krishna belongs to that age.. so why dont we talk about the luv krishna had for his wife and the great qualities he had which makes him a perfect husband material... rather than talking about how many wives he had... afterall it wasnt wrong in his time...

vasan
03-17-2004, 04:58 AM
Krishna didn't GO AFTER POOR HELPLESS girls. People fell in love with him and he reciprocated. Is that hard to understand? He wasn't a stalker, lurking around some dark corners.. !!

Rama on the other hand was cruel to a woman. What if Soorpanagai was obessed with him? Can't he flat out get a 'restraining' order and keep his thoughts pure? Who goes to attack a woman (who is not there to eat you alive but only was attracted), and maim her and disfigure her? How can a brave warrior be cruel to a woman? Bhisma never even fought with women. How could a woman love a person who treats another person in this fashion?

sri_gan
03-17-2004, 05:30 AM
Ok.. Puranam Pesunathu Pothum Lets come to reality...

Inga ithana pillainga pesurangale...

Oru ponnu kitta oru payyan than krishnan antha ponnaiyum puduchirukku marriage pannikanum nu ketta ok solluvangala?

Summa build up kudukka koodathu.... Sonna sonna padi nikanum...

Seri Love vendam... arrange marriage nu vachippoom

Entha vettuleyavathu... than magan krishnan mari koncha ponnugaloda palakkam nu solli ponnu kettu marriage pannirunga pakalam?


Enna nakkal pannurengal ellam sernthukittu...

Iyanaar.. odanchu ponna recond mari...:sm12: athe Agni parichai ... athukku than shy sollitangala... oru Ega pathni virathana irrunthu... than manavi mela kalangam varakoodathu enbathargaga avanala anniki mudinchtha pannittan...

Sita enna erincha poitanga.... She was honest with Rama so Agni didn't do anything.. chapter close atha vittu tu... enna thee kuthikka sonne na... Rama kku enna ora vanjanaiya??

Bluelotus
03-17-2004, 05:58 AM
Oru ponnu kitta oru payyan than krishnan antha ponnaiyum puduchirukku marriage pannikanum nu ketta ok solluvangala?

Summa build up kudukka koodathu.... Sonna sonna padi nikanum...

Seri Love vendam... arrange marriage nu vachippoom

Entha vettuleyavathu... than magan krishnan mari koncha ponnugaloda palakkam nu solli ponnu kettu marriage pannirunga pakalam?


Kannan may have flirted and loved and done I don't know what....but once he married he showered his love on his wives and they in return were happy with him.

Lets get away from all the talk of polygamy, which was then acceptable and now is not.

This is the man who came to Draupathi's help when no one helped her.
Like Vasan pointed out Rama on the other hand had no qualms in attaking a woman for the only reason that she loved him.

If an Indian/Tamil modern man (yeah yeah Shy I got the picture) was quite a charmer b4 he marries that does not guarrantee/mean that he shall be a terrible spouse. SO he was a bit adventurous.....Kannan was quite settled in his married life ......what can he do if Meera Bhai and Andhal loved him.......They wished for a husband like Krishna....so they married no one else....not cos they didn't get any offers...but because they believed that he was the most perfect one
What does that tell u abt the worth of men like Krishna.................they r worth their weight in gold. tht's what.

reks
03-17-2004, 06:00 AM
sri... as said earlier... having more than one wife wasnt wrong during Krishna's time...

but wats wrong if he was a flirt... who isnt... he knew his limits and thats wat matters...

infact i wud be reluctant to marry a guy who doesnt even hv the guts to look at a women or talk to her etc... i definetly dont expect my guy to be a like that... vazhkaila oru crush kuda illama, flirt'na spelling enna kekra mathri guys... if a guy claims so, either he is lying or he is a bekku.. :ahha:

and ofcourse upto a limit i wudnt mind, if he flirts after marriage.. and give me some space too :wink:..



than magan krishnan mari koncha ponnugaloda palakkam nu solli ponnu kettu marriage pannirunga pakalam?


tell me one guy or a girl who hasnt had one (or more) serious crush b4 marriage.. athavathu in ur language koncham ponnu/payan pakalam illatha oru chr... :sm12:

anainar
03-17-2004, 01:36 PM
Sri,

You guys are also talking like Keeral viluntha record, like one man, one wife. That has been explained by Lotus and Vasan very clearly what was the current trend that time. Polygamy became a crime only in the 20th century. Till then it was ok. Draupadi was married to 5 brothers. So, was that a big deal that time? No!!!

Raman did something different. True, but they question is whether he was a husband women would die for. And Rama is not. To provie his virtue he was even ready to put his wife through a great ordeal. It is not whether Seetha got burnt or not. It is the act of making her take the test.

Cheers

sri_gan
03-17-2004, 02:30 PM
Sri,

You guys are also talking like Keeral viluntha record, like one man, one wife. That has been explained by Lotus and Vasan very clearly what was the current trend that time. Polygamy became a crime only in the 20th century. Till then it was ok. Draupadi was married to 5 brothers. So, was that a big deal that time? No!!!

Raman did something different. True, but they question is whether he was a husband women would die for. And Rama is not. To provie his virtue he was even ready to put his wife through a great ordeal. It is not whether Seetha got burnt or not. It is the act of making her take the test.

Cheers


We are not "Keeral viluntha record" ... Do you know why I'm typing this in english now :sm12:

So you are saying that you can marry a girl as wife and cheat the same one as if you consider krishna as role model... if your wife asks why are you cheat you will say... that day panchali was married to multiple man correct...

Your wife must + should read this topic... specifically you might change nu than I quoted.


Girls you didn't answer my simple quistin.

If a guy come to a girl and say... he is like krishna.. he has a lot of girls friends, wives etc.. and he want to marry since he is so in love with that girl also... will that girl agree to marry... Please answer this.

suha
03-17-2004, 02:37 PM
shhhhhh :ush: watchingggggggggg :think: ........sri baiya yarum kolapam panaliyeee :Ksp:

san2003
03-17-2004, 02:55 PM
ok guys... i'm here with my piece of argument... :) sori am late and if my points are not strong enough :) sori ram team :)... now lets hit it ;) hehehehe

Ram... the perfect man.... every man that possesses his qualities are considered to be perfect... we r not saying who is perfect or better in sense of ram or krishna... we r talking about the characteristics of them.
most of the posts ive read till now seems to be talking bout ram and krishna and all the puranam stories... thats not the matter i think... its about what kinda guys female want: raman or kannan...rite?... so we shud be talking about the characteristics rite? :)
ok.. let me tell u all bout them then..... krishna... the beautiful, the naughty but nice, the lover boy :) , etc.... he resembles a teenager that likes to play around and get some girls :) (not meaning in a bad way) .... now.. what about ram? ... the handsome, the gentleman person, the loyal, etc.... he resembles a guy who is the dream husband of a girl... :)

a girl would say she might like a character like krishna as boyfriends or jus to hang out and stuff... coz they r flirty, nice, sweet talker, very polite only to girls... etc.... so they get into trap of the guys... but would u want ur man(husband) to be like that... sweet talking to everyone.... :nono::nono::nono:
u would prefer ur life partner to be someone like ram coz he is considered to be perfect in sense, nice, loyal, faithful, GENUINE, matured, protective and etc. he possesses every quality of a perfect husband which a girl would want him to be coz she is gonna live with him forever :)

till now this is all i have to say... i'll come back with more... jus gimme some time ok? :) sori if my points were bad... jus after a party ;) hehehehe
hey ram team.. if u all don't hear from me for some time.. i'm sori coz i'm moving city ok? :) cheers ppl

gokulan42
03-17-2004, 03:07 PM
great points, sans doll.

we will be missing you :(

anainar
03-17-2004, 03:09 PM
Sri,

The point that we are talking about is Krishna did not do anything illegal that time. He did not go against the rule of law or Dharma. You did not answer to my question about Draupadi. Draupadi was married to five guys. So polygamy was applied equally to men and women. And it was not considered illegal. That is precisely the point.

Rama did the converse. There was no law, but to prove his virtues, he made her take the extreme step of walking in the fire. While Krishna's act was not illegal, Rama's act is not warranted at all, but for his ego to prove that "He is the man". He did not think about consequences and banished Seetha to Valmiki;s ashram for delivery of Lava kusa. This is what we are talking about. You concede this point Sri, you cannot win this point.

My wife reading this topic is inconsequential. Adultry and polygamy is illegal and my wife as well as I know. And she knows that I wont do anything illegal. I can spend rest of my life in jail if I indulge in polygamy. I dont have to be a Krishna for that. But I wont ask my wife take agni paritcha either just because some tom-**** and harry talks.

So you also stop harping on multiple wives like a keeral viluntha record, asking the same question again and again in different ways. If you want to ask, add the point also, "Some one who does not do illegal things".

Cheers

gokulan42
03-17-2004, 03:36 PM
A friendly remainder :) please dont be personal. No participant should talk about me & my wife and you & your wife. Humur is ok. I understand everything is friendly & healthy now. I want to keep it that way. I apologize if I sound rude.

Rather concentrate on Ram kinda guys and Krishna kinda guys. :b:

anainar
03-17-2004, 03:46 PM
Guku,

I am cool man. I knew that this would come there. So, dont be bothered that the thin line is crossed by a little bit. I believe Sri made his point and so did I. He mentioned about me changing, and I said, I dont have to, because I dont do anything illegal.( except ripping movies for fellow Geethamites though, :wink: )

The whole point that we were stressing is, Krishna did abide by the law of the land at that time. Polygamy was practiced not only with men, but with women too, for which I gave examples. So, a Krishna kida guy now should also abide by the law now, which says Polygamy is an offence. So multiple wives question does not arise at all. Right? Yes or no please...

Cheers

reks
03-17-2004, 03:56 PM
krishna... the beautiful, the naughty but nice, the lover boy , etc.... he resembles a teenager that likes to play around and get some girls (not meaning in a bad way) .... now.. what about ram? ... the handsome, the gentleman person, the loyal, etc....

dear san.... krishna was naughty when he was young... but if u see, its said that... krishna used to play pranks on the gopikas when he was very young.. till the age of 14... now u dont classify this under "getting some girls" in any sense right... he was just playful... :)


a girl would say she might like a character like krishna as boyfriends or jus to hang out and stuff... coz they r flirty, nice, sweet talker, very polite only to girls... etc.... so they get into trap of the guys... but would u want ur man(husband) to be like that... sweet talking to everyone....

ofcourse u wud prefer a guy who wud be polite and sweet to others and not RUDE right :wink:... and as vasan pointed out... Ram did attack soorpanagai and disfigured her... how do u explain this....



u would prefer ur life partner to be someone like ram coz he is considered to be perfect in sense, nice, loyal, faithful, GENUINE, matured, protective and etc. he possesses every quality of a perfect husband which a girl would want him to be coz she is gonna live with him forever

Krishna was more perfect, nice, genuine and matured. Anai has already explained krishna's genius, sense of duty etc... And he was loyal and faithful to his wives... yes, he had more than one wife but that was accepted then... wat matters is he was loyal and faithful to them... he never had any relationship outside marriage... and he treated women with respect...

And he was more protective than Ram... he did take good care of his wives... Ram had only one wife... and he cudnt take care of her properly.... left her alone in the forest... but krishna took good care of all his wives... so now tell me, who is more protective :wink:

gokulan42
03-17-2004, 04:00 PM
The whole point that we were stressing is, Krishna did abide by the law of the land at that time. Polygamy was practiced not only with men, but with women too, for which I gave examples. So, a Krishna kida guy now should also abide by the law now, which says Polygamy is an offence. So multiple wives question does not arise at all. Right? Yes or no please...

Cheers

Polygamy is illegal, alright. But, adultery is a common practice,m isnt it? We dont need to have multiple wives but we can always have multiple lovers like Krishna did (remember, as you said krishna did not marry all his lovers :ee:).

Infact, agnisatchi is illegal now, so infact you should not raise that now. Isn't it? And, all the epics correctly portray Ram never suspected Sita...

Thanks for bringing this up, guru :)

gokulan42
03-17-2004, 04:13 PM
a girl would say she might like a character like krishna as boyfriends or jus to hang out and stuff... coz they r flirty, nice, sweet talker, very polite only to girls... etc.... so they get into trap of the guys... but would u want ur man(husband) to be like that... sweet talking to everyone....

ofcourse u wud prefer a guy who wud be polite and sweet to others and not RUDE right :wink:... and as vasan pointed out... Ram did attack soorpanagai and disfigured her... how do u explain this....

RUDE? who said Ram is rude :Ksp:

Hey, you got to read the soorpanagai chapter to understand why he gave that punishment to her (not attacking, reks gal). Also, that was a way of letting all other gals know that Ram is taken for sure and no more expansion is possible ;)





u would prefer ur life partner to be someone like ram coz he is considered to be perfect in sense, nice, loyal, faithful, GENUINE, matured, protective and etc. he possesses every quality of a perfect husband which a girl would want him to be coz she is gonna live with him forever

Krishna was more perfect, nice, genuine and matured. Anai has already explained krishna's genius, sense of duty etc... And he was loyal and faithful to his wives... yes, he had more than one wife but that was accepted then... wat matters is he was loyal and faithful to them... he never had any relationship outside marriage... and he treated women with respect...
hey, we dont want to go into that genius, sense of duty stuff, ok :) lets discuss ur 'loyal and faithful' stuff. If he is that loyal and faithful to his wifes, how did his wives AND lovers count grew in astronomical figures. What I mean to say is, when married his second wife, its already a ditch for his first wife and so on, right ;)

And, please dont dare to say 'he never had any relationship outside marriage' :lol: :lol: I can give you proof, if you agree to concede ;)

anainar
03-17-2004, 04:20 PM
Guku,

You are misinterpreting my post man. As usual. Meera and Andal fell in love with Krishna but he did not marry them. He did not indulge with them also. You need to look at the definition of adultry dude. Krishna was never adultrous. He did have many wives. There is a difference between these two.

Agni paritchai is not illegal yet.You see people walking in fire even now. But the point is the mental intent to make his wife suffer to prove his virtues is still there. It may not be agni paritcha now, but could be something else some one with Rama's mindset may do. To prove his virtue he may ask his wife to do some thing that she hates to do. Is that a worthy characteristic?

Cheers

Bluelotus
03-17-2004, 04:21 PM
To Add to Reks point Krishna was the perfect gentleman...in the true sense of the word...
Be they, maidens in distress or matrons (Draupathi), he went to their aid.

Further more my Dear San, do u wish for a dry old stick or a real man...who is strong, caring, believes in Dharma and stand by his convictions, fun to be with, loyal, trusts u, who shall defend u in front of the whole world and his wife if need be?
of course the choice is urs....but we would strongly recommend u go for the real deal/Kannan type.

Sri_gan wrote:

We are not "Keeral viluntha record" ... Do you know why I'm typing this in english now

So you are saying that you can marry a girl as wife and cheat the same one as if you consider krishna as role model... if your wife asks why are you cheat you will say... that day panchali was married to multiple man correct...

Your wife must + should read this topic... specifically you might change nu than I quoted.


Girls you didn't answer my simple quistin.

If a guy come to a girl and say... he is like krishna.. he has a lot of girls friends, wives etc.. and he want to marry since he is so in love with that girl also... will that girl agree to marry... Please answer this.
u r startuing to sound like a broken record allright. :Ksp:
Pehaps Sri u have yet to discover the sanctity of marriage vows. Once taken u cannot renegate them. Well if one does then it shows a lack of moral convictions....which may I kindly point out Krishna Had by the truck load.
He was a man who was loyal to his wives....as a young man he may have been as I said slightly adventurous....but as a married man he wasn't .
If the man wishes to carry on living as a bachelor then he should remain single
If he is prepared to accept the vows of marriage and live by them then yes I do absolutely believe that women will accept such a man.....even if he was quite a Don Juan b4 the ceremony.

Will u stop harping on abt Krishna and his lovers....he loved many and was loved by many...but that is the nature of the Krishna Avatar....he was and still is the Darling of all.....
If he wasn't so perfect why did Meera and Andhal yearn for him to such a point of embracing celibacy?.....Krishna's love is slightly different from the love that a normal mortal could ever feel



Krishna was no adulterer...and a man like him will not be one either. To men like Krishna marriage is sacred and the wife precious. He shall protect and defend her in front of anyone...if need be in front of God himself....he shan't fall prey to societiy's wishes....for as we know society is but a bunch of mortals with questionable tongues and it is highly fickle.

Anainar is not on abt the agni thingy....he just pointed out to u dear Gokulan that Rama made her go through an ordeal simply to prove her unquestionable virtue to fickle society. It's like the witch trial isn't it....if ur not a witvh u will drown when ur dumped in the local pond attached to a heavy stone...but u will float if ur a witch!
Well Witch trials r now ilegal...but that doesn't stop ppl from acting out on doubts. Ramam may not have doubted but he acted on them which in my book pretty much means that he wasn't man enough to stand up for his wife.


(PS: what did u mean abt the broken record written in Tamil English-transliteration?)

gokulan42
03-17-2004, 04:37 PM
Guku,

You are misinterpreting my post man. As usual. Meera and Andal fell in love with Krishna but he did not marry them. He did not indulge with them also. You need to look at the definition of adultry dude. Krishna was never adultrous. He did have many wives. There is a difference between these two.

Well, if thats what you beleive so be it. Meera & Andal & x and y and and all of 'em fell in love with him, he entertained them but dint marry nor committed adultery :lol:
Even if I have to consider what you said is true, it still does not make sense, does it? How many ladies will tolerate their hubby to have any lover :lol:

Not one that I heard ;)


Agni paritchai is not illegal yet.You see people walking in fire even now. But the point is the mental intent to make his wife suffer to prove his virtues is still there. It may not be agni paritcha now, but could be something else some one with Rama's mindset may do. To prove his virtue he may ask his wife to do some thing that she hates to do. Is that a worthy characteristic?

Cheers

Guru, there is a world of difference here. WHOLE truth please :)

Agni paritchai that Sita did was completly immersed in the fire not simply walking :)

So, dont say agniparitchai is legal. Infact polygamy is legal in some parts of the world. Even in India, we have popular leaders who practice polygamy, wanna hear *i m not against those leaders, please*

reks
03-17-2004, 04:42 PM
RUDE? who said Ram is rude


Gokul... nope, i didnt say Ram was rude :wink:... do read the whole sentence... and theres no reference to Ram.. it was just my answer to sans statement... A girl wud prefer her hubby also to be a polite, nice, sweet person and not only her boy friends..

:sm02: why do u think he was rude :sm12:



Hey, you got to read the soorpanagai chapter to understand why he gave that punishment to her (not attacking, reks gal). Also, that was a way of letting all other gals know that Ram is taken for sure and no more expansion is possible

u dont go around attacking ppl, just to make a simple point clear... all he had to do was say a NO to her.. like krishna decently did to the many girls who wanted to marry him :wink:



hey, we dont want to go into that genius, sense of duty stuff, ok lets discuss ur 'loyal and faithful' stuff. If he is that loyal and faithful to his wifes, how did his wives AND lovers count grew in astronomical figures. What I mean to say is, when married his second wife, its already a ditch for his first wife and so on, right


gokul, he never ditched his first wife... he took good care of both of them... both of them were happy... he didnt neglect one wife for the sake of other... and his wife accepted the other female in his life... so Krishna didnt do anything against her wish too :)

Ogi.. many girls did luv him when he was young.. and he was nice to them... but not after his marriage... he was loyal and faithful after his marriage... :baby:

reks
03-17-2004, 04:55 PM
hehe... both the sides have agreed that many great ladies wanted to be Krishna's wife... that they thot his types were the perfect husband types...

from the Gopikas to meera, andal , radha, rukmani... lets leave the gopikas alone.. but meera and andal'vae Krishna thaan perfect husband solitanga... and above all reks and blues too think krishna types it the perfect types :wink:... so wats more.. wat r we still debating about :sm12:

nobody ever wanted to be Rama's wife, but for seetha :lol::lol::lol:

sri_gan
03-17-2004, 05:25 PM
This is just the excerpt grom the opposite team's view after reading:

They are messaging their future childrens:

1. Polgamy is a must.

2. Pologamy is not a problem when a Guy is Charmful.

3. Every one the opposite team will allow their kids (girls) to look for guys like Krishna or charmers so that it will evolve so much life and value.

4. Who cares about other girl is hurt ... as long as there is a fun for that moment... rest is not cared.

5. Responsibility. what the hell is that?

No one answered me for my straight question:

If a guy (charmer) who is honest find another girl interesting and say .. i have a lot of girl friends and some wives too.. i would like to marry you too...

Can I talk all the women folks of the opposite team will agree to marry that charmer?

Reminder, If Yes.. say Yes, If No, You don't stand you your words, if you are neutral then you don't know what you are talking.

Guku, That was not personal and Iyanaar know I'm teasing, We sometimes do in some previous topics also, but we bound our limits. Iyanaar, If anything inappropriate, I apologize.

Bluelotus
03-17-2004, 05:32 PM
:nono: :snooty: :snooty: :snooty:

I say Mr Sri_Gan ...putting ur words into our mouths is not the done thing
pfffuuuuiiiiittttt
Go read all those books Vasan recommended
the above does not apply to Krishna
:snooty:

anainar
03-17-2004, 05:35 PM
Sri,

Reks - Very nice avatar. :clap: :clap: kalakungo. antha punnagai pookum mugathai paarthavathu, let the Rama guys change their mind. :D :D

You are misconstruing our posts in the name of dissection.

First and foremost, we did not say Polygamy is a must. We said, at the point of time when Krishna lived Polygamy both in women and men were not illegal. They did not break any law or dharma which prevailed at that time. Using that yardstick to measure the legality now and drawing conclusions that polygamy is a must is big joke.

Krishna did not break any law. So should any one who follows krishna, what ever time he lives in. Period. Does that answer your question about polygamy?

As much as we like our children/wife/husband to emulate Krishna, we would want them to respect the law also. Si what is the big deal?

Guku, to answer your question about polygamy, it is illegal and is punishable by imprisonment as per Hindu and Christian marriages act. There is only one religeon that forgives Polygamy even now. Those laws will also change soon.

Cheers

sri_gan
03-17-2004, 05:37 PM
First and foremost, we did not say Polygamy is a must. We said, at the point of time when Krishna lived Polygamy both in women and men were not illegal. They did not break any law or dharma which prevailed at that time. Using that yardstick to measure the legality now and drawing conclusions that polygamy is a must is big joke.

Krishna did not break any law. So should any one who follows krishna, what ever time he lives in. Period. Does that answer your question about polygamy?



Appdi vanga vazhikku... naan ketta kelvikku innum answera kannume.... ennala srippa adakka mudiyalai :sm12::sm12::sm12::sm12::sm12:

vasan
03-17-2004, 05:39 PM
enna Reks.. I like the way you want to high light your arguments and changing your avator from the pretty preity to playful kannan... :b: Way to go gopi.. er.. girl !! :wink:

I wonder if there is any sort of blazing love/ heartfelt romance sections at all in Ramayana. I sure don't remember. Perhaps in Kambar's version, he wrote that famous line and (since I haven't read it fully) I don't know much else. Surely Rajaji or Kamala Subramaniam or the bunch of others (including RK Narayan) who wrote Ramayana didn't say much. I don't know sanskrit and the only word I know in Hindi is Samachar... I have no idea about Ramayana - beyond whats given by these authors. Also I don't trust the movie / TV versions of these epics.. For too sensational, too little on truth...

What is life with out love and romance.. ?? Did Rama and Seetha were deeply in love - like Bhama and Krishna? I haven't read many love poems for Rama, but sure have read a lot of love poems written for Krishna. Romantic (not sexual) but divinely romantic.. :) :) Makes one think, right? That should be the only argument for a guy like...well.. me !!

sri_gan
03-17-2004, 05:46 PM
enna Reks.. I like the way you want to high light your arguments and changing your avator from the pretty preity to playful kannan... :b: Way to go gopi.. er.. girl !! :wink:

I wonder if there is any sort of blazing love/ heartfelt romance sections at all in Ramayana. I sure don't remember. Perhaps in Kambar's version, he wrote that famous line and (since I haven't read it fully) I don't know much else. Surely Rajaji or Kamala Subramaniam or the bunch of others (including RK Narayan) who wrote Ramayana didn't say much. I don't know sanskrit and the only word I know in Hindi is Samachar... I have no idea about Ramayana - beyond whats given by these authors. Also I don't trust the movie / TV versions of these epics.. For too sensational, too little on truth...

What is life with out love and romance.. ?? Did Rama and Seetha were deeply in love - like Bhama and Krishna? I haven't read many love poems for Rama, but sure have read a lot of love poems written for Krishna. Romantic (not sexual) but divinely romantic.. :) :) Makes one think, right? That should be the only argument for a guy like...well.. me !!


Vasan Thatha.. rombe build up kodukathinga...

See the Difference in choosing avatars (Mine and Reks).

Reks - Krishna - Alone - For him only.

Mine - A Family Representation. Simple as it is.

No matter nee natta andalam... naalu anju ponnungaloda oora suthulnalam.. 95% of people wants family... Athu mattum than nilachu nikkum... athukku oru example vanthu ramavatharm..

Krishan avalo ponna site adichare.. ellathiyum kappathunara? no only Rukumani... Evan antha Krishna Va Rama va pathu thirunthitaru... nenga ellam emmathiram :sm12: :sm12: :sm12: :sm12:

Ithukku enna solla porenga?

Bluelotus
03-17-2004, 06:02 PM
yes he saved many maidens...he stood for justice
NOt just Rukmini and Draupathi

Athu enna Kudumbam...Daddyyea pirunchu (seperated even b4 their birth) valarum kulandaegal....puruchannai pirunchu valum manaivi??
Krishna was an excellent husband and father.....he was the real family man.

vasan
03-17-2004, 06:09 PM
How is Rama a family man? What did he do to Laxmana? Poor guy, just because he is younger he has to leave his family and be with his brother. On the other hand, see how Krishna helped Subadhra marry Arjuna !!! He knows what is love, and unites people - not seperate and leave them to wander around in forest.. !!!

Sri, the only reason we can't put Krishna's family album is because his family is too big !! Every one of them important and in the Picture.. Not just husband and wife and a brother who is separated from his wife and a Celibate person !!

:b: :b:

anainar
03-17-2004, 06:17 PM
Sri,

Where is Bharathan, another brother of Rama? Was he left out because he was born to Kaikeyee? That guy ruled the county with Rama's paathugai for 14 years. Is this how you repay his loyalty by excluding him in the family picture?

Krishna's family is too big like Vasan said and cannot fit in one photo. So it is better to put only his photo. Because every one in his family is important to him.

Cheers

sri_gan
03-17-2004, 06:18 PM
Sri, the only reason we can't put Krishna's family album is because his family is too big !! Every one of them important and in the Picture.. Not just husband and wife and a brother who is separated from his wife and a Celibate person !!


Seri ivalo pesurengale...

Who are the sibilings of Krishna?

sri_gan
03-17-2004, 06:20 PM
Krishna's family is too big like Vasan said and cannot fit in one photo. So it is better to put only his photo. Because every one in his family is important to him.



Too big with innocent girls who don't know what to do in the age of their teens.

Don't you guys think it bit taking too advantage of innocent people :P

Too big family, Gimme be a break.

sri_gan
03-17-2004, 06:22 PM
BlueLotus,

It is community topic and I have my own priveleges to say my opinion, if you don't know how to be speculative learn it from there... don't take it personally, It will come by experience only. We are no new to you "pffffsss" statements.

Relax.

anainar
03-17-2004, 06:26 PM
இன்னாங்கோ ஸ்ரீ, பரதன் எங்கேங்கோ! அதுக்கு பதில் சொல்லுங்கோ

Cheers

Bluelotus
03-17-2004, 06:27 PM
It is community topic and I have my own priveleges to say my opinion, if you don't know how to be speculative learn it from there... don't take it personally, It will come by experience only. We are no new to you "pffffsss" statements.

Relax.

Shall do ....I thought I would let my opinion speak via emoticons instead

sri_gan
03-17-2004, 06:30 PM
இன்னாங்கோ ஸ்ரீ, பரதன் எங்கேங்கோ! அதுக்கு பதில் சொல்லுங்கோ

Cheers

Baharathanukku Naade koduthache... avaru enga na... Innikku India voad innoru peru Bharatha Naadu thane....

Nadu Naa Bharthan... Family naa Raman... Thats the cultural root.... Ithukka ivalo build up kodutheenga.. ;)

Lava kusha pathi ivalo pesunengo...

Answer the question who are the sibilings of Krishna?

sri_gan
03-17-2004, 06:33 PM
Does any one know the root cause for the Decline of Krishna??? Theriyuma? :sm12:

Bluelotus,

Emote Icons ellam podunga... Most of the time When people argue with me feel like this

:sm18: :sm19: :sm20: :sm15: :sm17: :sm13: :oops:

reks
03-17-2004, 06:59 PM
Too big with innocent girls who don't know what to do in the age of their teens.

sri, he just played some pranks on them, when he was young.. koncham kurumbu jaasthi... avlo thaan :)... otherwise, he didnt take advantage in any way... and he didnt give false promises and ditch them either...



Krishan avalo ponna site adichare.. ellathiyum kappathunara?

sight adicha kalyanam kattanum'nu kedayathu sri... athunala thaan athuka per sight.

and krishna yaarayum sight adikala.. those girls krishna'va sight adichirnthurkalam... krishna mathri nalla kunam ellam irunthalae intha mathri neraya prechanai irukum.. but krishna handled it gracefully and didnt go around attacking them :lol:

vasan
03-17-2004, 07:28 PM
Yo Sri.. Nalla kathaiyaa irukke.. Bharatha nadu is because of Rama's Brother barathan? And not Shakuntala's son?!! I think it is high time you read those good books.. :) Yenna thailavaa.. ethu venaa ezhuthidalaamnnu ninaippaa?

For your kindest Inparmesan... : Bharatha did not get the country by any great sacrifice of Rama. He was ruling and keeping the chair warm for Rama. Poor guy, did not even sit in the throne, but had Rama's shoes on there !! As soon as Rama returned he gave back the country, throne and quietly faded away. That is a good brother. Rama on the other hand.. well you can go and read Ramayana.. :) Krishnaavator is more interesting anyways.. :wink:

Also you go it all wrong!! Krishna sight adichchaara?? I think you are mixing up the pranks of a kid with something else. Most gopikas when he was really young were adoring Krishna as a baby. All the girls he was with in Brindavan were his play mates.. you know all sorts of fun, dance and music and what not.. Except Radha who was in really love with him (and he with her) there is not one instance of anything inappropriate..

Also, my dear Rama Team people.. Rama's Dad was married to three women - all of whom Rama respected as his own Mom. And he respected his own Dad. Just so happened that in his avator he is married to only Sita - but it does not mean Rama thought polygamy (at the time he lived) was in appropriate. Or wrong. Its only the 20th century innovation that attributes an additional dimension to Rama's life.

Let me repeat what anainar said. Team Krishna is not advocating polygamy where it is illegal. What we say is that in both Krishna's period and Rama's it was the norm. Neither Rama nor Krishna found it wrong - or atharma ! What is wrong is disprespecting women and not trusting them. And what is important in a marriage (in choosing a husband) is that the person should love you wholeheartedly, and impartially, and stand for you (against every one !!) and be the greatest fun to be with. Be the best dad (who would spend time with his children) and have good friends, take care of his family (including the much extended family, like Pandavas!), and stand up for Dharma (like whole of Mahabharatha!)... Now argue and tell me how or why such a person would make a poor husband and why girls should not go for a person like that !!!

Vasan

ps: Krishna's siblings? His adoring older brother Balram, and the beautiful Subadhra!! And his extended family of Arjuna & pandavas... Even if you folks don't read or forgotten those epics, at least you should read what I wrote only couple of posts back.. :Ksp: Hey Krishna even treated all the yadhavas as his own family.... Padingo sir.... konjam padingoo... one of the best pics of Krishna' is him lifting up that mountain to protect the yadhavas, and their meagre possessions from the wrath of rain.. You need a whole mountain to protect his BIG family from rain.. not a small umbrella to hold four people.. :ahha:

ps: Team Krishna does not advocate polygamy. It is NOW illegal (both anainar and I wrote this about a zillion times!!) according to Hindu and Christian marriage acts. However, if there are any muslim friends and other religions and countries where it is practiced (and who are also reading this), and legal, please do what you think is best. But treat all of your partners with equal measure of love and respect. No partiality. We are not here to impose our moral values on you - except the moral of being fair and trustworthy!

sri_gan
03-17-2004, 07:43 PM
For your kindest Inparmesan... : Bharatha did not get the country by any great sacrifice of Rama. He was ruling and keeping the chair warm for Rama. Poor guy, did not even sit in the throne, but had Rama's shoes on there !! As soon as Rama returned he gave back the country, throne and quietly faded away. That is a good brother. Rama on the other hand.. well you can go and read Ramayana..


Anne nanga theriyama sollala...Venumene than sonnen. Ellam perula irrukenu sonna... Idam sutti porul vizhakittenga...:sm12:...

Probably Shakuntala was inspired by Ramayana... athunala Bharathan nu peru vachirukkalam.. enna irruka koodathaaa?... Bharathan Bharathanave adutha avatharamle irruthirukalam... enn irrukka koodathu... Nee eppadi solla mudiyum naan knokathukku ezhuthurenu? :sm12:

Shankuntala period should be after Ramayana... And ofcourse Krishna is after Rama and Mahabhartha start with this name... as Bharatha Nadu... I guess..



Hey Krishna even treated all the yadhavas as his own family.... Padingo sir.... konjam padingoo... one of the best pics of Krishna' is him lifting up that mountain to protect the yadhavas, and their meagre possessions from the wrath of rain.. You need a whole mountain to protect his BIG family from rain.. not a small umbrella to hold four people..


Summa peecha Mathathinga annachi... Krishnan kku sontha pillai irrukka illaya ... answer that... Anne nenga Krishna puram interesting sollunga... naan decline of Krishna pathi solli counter attack pannuven...

Raman 4 peru summa solla koodathu... Avalo kasta pattu family issue ala kattukku poi.. asurana alichittu vantha... nattula makkal summa va irrukan avan istathukko etho pesi.. avalo problem koduthu sita va piriyavachu...

Anna note this point....A Family is rooted from Rama... and he himself is responsible for his kids to take a name in History as Lava and Kusha... which means as a father... whatever was the situation.. their family did had a name in history.

Krishna kku appadi irruka?

sri_gan
03-17-2004, 08:17 PM
Debat Representation in Geetham Radio. :yes:

1. I selected a wonderful song for the rama team - surprise.

Krishna team you can select a song also... But make the selection by today evening.

P.S: Vasan I didn't forget a song for you from Veera ;)

san2003
03-18-2004, 12:27 AM
dear san.... krishna was naughty when he was young... but if u see, its said that... krishna used to play pranks on the gopikas when he was very young.. till the age of 14... now u dont classify this under "getting some girls" in any sense right... he was just playful... :)

ofcourse u wud prefer a guy who wud be polite and sweet to others and not RUDE right :wink:... and as vasan pointed out... Ram did attack soorpanagai and disfigured her... how do u explain this....

Krishna was more perfect, nice, genuine and matured. Anai has already explained krishna's genius, sense of duty etc... And he was loyal and faithful to his wives... yes, he had more than one wife but that was accepted then... wat matters is he was loyal and faithful to them... he never had any relationship outside marriage... and he treated women with respect...

And he was more protective than Ram... he did take good care of his wives... Ram had only one wife... and he cudnt take care of her properly.... left her alone in the forest... but krishna took good care of all his wives... so now tell me, who is more protective :wink:

thats wat i'm saying.. playful...that is his nature... being playful.....his nature is such and the deep-rooted nature cannot be changed by one person .... this is fact.... as some have said previously.... they will never forget their first crush, first love.. and so on.... deep-rooted nature is hard to be erased from u... coz it has been in u for very long time... krishna was potrayed as a playful and jolly kid and a youthful teenager... and thats the krishna we have alwiz remembered and talked about... so with there characteristics and nature.. how would he be a perfect husband?
u were saying that he had more than one wife....that itself shows his nature couldn't stop him and got a second... or third(how ever many) wives.... not like ram who was FAITHFUL (means only one) to his wife.... we r not talking about polygamy or marrying more than one here... is jus his attitude... whereby krishna had the desire to marry another one and he did.. unlike rama.... as u mentioned ram attacked soorpanagai.. i dunno much about the puranam... but in the posts i read it said she was an evil person...so wat is there wrong in attacking her if she was to harm him....
u said that krishna was loyal to his WIVES.... WIVES!!!... more than one.. yes u can treat them equally ... but u cannot be loyal just to ONE... coz u got the others.. that will be unfair rite?... we r not talking whether its legal or not in this time or past...its just about their memorial that we talkin on.....bein on a pratical side... would u get a husband who for example has krishna's behaviour.. very joyful to girls especially, sweet-talker(i meant by sweet-talking is not talking sweetly... but talking sweetly with a special intention with it)....u will feel jealous and an uncomfortable feeling when he gets very close to girls... even though he is ur man... rite girls?... even the guys.... a person with rama's behaviour... loyal to the wife.. not havin more than one that is... a gentleman...he would be considered to be the perfect groom for anyone :)

sri_gan
03-18-2004, 01:47 AM
San,

Kalakeetinga. :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap: :clap::clap::clap::clap:



u said that krishna was loyal to his WIVES.... WIVES!!!... more than one.. yes u can treat them equally ... but u cannot be loyal just to ONE... coz u got the others.. that will be unfair rite?...


100% True.

Opposite team le ellam dream le irrukanga pola irruku. :sm12:

Shy
03-18-2004, 01:54 AM
Wow... :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

San and Sri.. kalakeeteenga !!!!

Shy

reks
03-18-2004, 03:02 AM
thats wat i'm saying.. playful...that is his nature... being playful.....his nature is such and the deep-rooted nature cannot be changed by one person .... this is fact.... as some have said previously.... they will never forget their first crush, first love.. and so on.... deep-rooted nature is hard to be erased from u... coz it has been in u for very long time... krishna was potrayed as a playful and jolly kid and a youthful teenager... and thats the krishna we have alwiz remembered and talked about... so with there characteristics and nature.. how would he be a perfect husband?



so r u saying that a perfect husband should not be playful and charming... :Ksp: ... ok playfullness was deep rooted in his nature.. but he had more good qualities deep rooted in him - sense of duty, protectiveness, respect and love for fellow human beings... so these shd make him a good husband right... :)



not like ram who was FAITHFUL (means only one) to his wife

first comes love.. then comes faithfullness, loyalty etc... wats the use in being faithful to a wife, whom he didnt even take care properly....



u said that krishna was loyal to his WIVES.... WIVES!!!... more than one.. yes u can treat them equally ... but u cannot be loyal just to ONE... coz u got the others.. that will be unfair rite?...


just cos he had more than one wife, doesnt mean that he cant be faithful/loyal to them... faithfullnes is firm in adherance to promises or in observance in duty... those days, polygamy was accepted, and his wifes didnt expect him to be like Ramar who had only one wife... so he neither broke any promise or neglected his duties as a husband... or loved them any less.... he was faithful and loyal to them...


we r not talking whether its legal or not in this time or past...its just about their memorial that we talkin on.....bein on a pratical side... would u get a husband who for example has krishna's behaviour.. very joyful to girls especially, sweet-talker(i meant by sweet-talking is not talking sweetly... but talking sweetly with a special intention with it)....

Krishna did not talk to girls with any special intention.. he was just a friendly person... and as i said earlier, he did all those pranks when he was very young... and if the gopikas liked him.. thats because he was a nice and friendly person...


even the guys.... a person with rama's behaviour... loyal to the wife.. not havin more than one that is... a gentleman...he would be considered to be the perfect groom for anyone

sannnnnn polygamy was accepted during his period, and just cos he had two wives doesnt mean he wasnt a gentleman.. or for that matter, that panchali wasnt a lady...

all we are saying is.. a person with Krishna's qualities friendly, charming, dutiful, protective, loving etc wud make a perfect husband... ofcourse, now polygamy is illegal and so my guy marrying somebody else is ruled out...

sri_gan
03-18-2004, 03:07 AM
so r u saying that a perfect husband should not be playful and charming...


We are not saying that.

Be Charmed only with your wife only nu sollurom... Manasa alai paya vidathinga nu sollurom... athu ponna irrunthalum seri paiyanna irrunthalum seri...

Puriyaati.. don't miss the last song from me tomorrow ... in related to this patti mandram in Geetham Radio ...

reks
03-18-2004, 03:10 AM
sri, krishnar was a naughty and playful kid... athuku artham manasa alay paya vidrathu illa...

anainar
03-18-2004, 03:39 AM
Sri,


We are not in our dream world. Most of the questions asked by Sans doll has been answered by Reks.

We are categorical in our statements that Krishna never broke any law and you also agree that. That rules out anyone indulding in polygamy which illegal now. Can you move on to some other point?

Loyalty!!! How is the defined Sans? The definition of loyalty you say now is defined by you now. Was it the same 5000 years back? Loyalty to a wife is defined as taking care of her and the children properly. So what he had more than one wife in his life time, when polygamy was not illegal? He took care of them very well and and showered them with love. What ever time he spent with them, it was only for them and they relished those moments. No one left Krishna like Seetha left him to deliver her babies. So what is that we are talking about?

Rama did not even know that he had children. He did not spend time with them at all till they blocked his Ashwametha yaaga horse. They were even ready to fight Rama when Seetham comes and tell them, Rama is their father. Is that the sign of a good father? Did they get their name because of Rama? Come on Sri, you cannot hide a big poosanikkai in rice. If a father has not even met his children, how can he be responsible for what they are?

Cheers

Shy
03-18-2004, 04:10 AM
sri, krishnar was a naughty and playful kid... athuku artham manasa alay paya vidrathu illa...

Nope.. Playful, naughty ellam irukalaam.. We arent questioning that... Oruthavanga kuuda illama... more than one lover irukaanga la ;) thats indirectly alai paayurathu thaan... a way os manasu alai paayurathu thaan..

Shy

gokulan42
03-18-2004, 04:26 AM
A girl wud prefer her hubby also to be a polite, nice, sweet person and not only her boy friends..

Hey, Ram kinda guys are polite (far more than krish), nice (again ditto), sweet (once more) to your friends.... The problem comes when he tries to use his charm to romance your girly friends ;) typical krishna stuff, you see ;)



Hey, you got to read the soorpanagai chapter to understand why he gave that punishment to her (not attacking, reks gal). Also, that was a way of letting all other gals know that Ram is taken for sure and no more expansion is possible

u dont go around attacking ppl, just to make a simple point clear... all he had to do was say a NO to her.. like krishna decently did to the many girls who wanted to marry him :wink:
I know. Just go and read to find out whether he said NO :lol: Krishna is like our Vasan *kidding* and he can never say no to any gal. Krishna type of guys can decently say no to marriage, but other things :nono:




hey, we dont want to go into that genius, sense of duty stuff, ok lets discuss ur 'loyal and faithful' stuff. If he is that loyal and faithful to his wifes, how did his wives AND lovers count grew in astronomical figures.What I mean to say is, when married his second wife, its already a ditch for his first wife and so on, right


gokul, he never ditched his first wife... he took good care of both of them... both of them were happy... he didnt neglect one wife for the sake of other... and his wife accepted the other female in his life... so Krishna didnt do anything against her wish too
Ridiculous, how do you know. We all know that no wife can be happy about sharing he rhubby with another redneck, right ;)



Ogi.. many girls did luv him when he was young.. and he was nice to them... but not after his marriage... he was loyal and faithful after his marriage

contradictory :lol: :lol: try again :lol:

Otherwise, just follow your smart team mates tactic if avoiding me :lol: :lol:

gokulan42
03-18-2004, 04:31 AM
sri, krishnar was a naughty and playful kid... athuku artham manasa alay paya vidrathu illa...

Nope.. Playful, naughty ellam irukalaam.. We arent questioning that... Oruthavanga kuuda illama... more than one lover irukaanga la ;) thats indirectly alai paayurathu thaan... a way os manasu alai paayurathu thaan..

Shy
Just to add on top of what Shy told. Who cares how he was as a kid. Raman was playful and naughty kid too (why do you think he went to forest)...

Ram was very attractive and charming and that is the reason soorpanakai fell madlyfor him...

Atlast it is good to know that Krishna's team understood and accepted that Ram never suspected Sita ;) So, what else is the problem with Ram as a hubby. Shall we conclude this debate :lol:

sri_gan
03-18-2004, 04:44 AM
Rama did not even know that he had children. He did not spend time with them at all till they blocked his Ashwametha yaaga horse. They were even ready to fight Rama when Seetham comes and tell them, Rama is their father. Is that the sign of a good father? Did they get their name because of Rama? Come on Sri, you cannot hide a big poosanikkai in rice. If a father has not even met his children, how can he be responsible for what they are?


I'm not hiding any possankai's in here. I already told, Rama did leave the wife, bu the kids were so powerful on the inspiration of their dad.. no one can deny this fact.

Thats the Invisible connection every family relationship have.

Inniki sontham appa amma ellathiyum vittutu vellaikki velli natukku varathillaiyai.. anniki raman kku appadi oru situation I guess he handled it very well.

I asked more than 3 times Name the kids of krishna?

Unga team le irrunthu pathilaiye kannume?

Yaaro ippo poosankaiya marikira? :sm12:

Bluelotus
03-18-2004, 05:31 AM
I didn't even know the names of Rama's kids till now and he had only 2 ......Krishna had a lot more than 2.

sri_gan
03-18-2004, 02:33 PM
I didn't even know the names of Rama's kids till now and he had only 2 ......Krishna had a lot more than 2.

Well... Tell few names.. Don't say Gauravas.. :sm12:

ragi_kutty
03-18-2004, 03:00 PM
sri_gan how many times do u change ur pic..........?

Shy
03-18-2004, 03:27 PM
For your kindest Inparmesan... : Bharatha did not get the country by any great sacrifice of Rama. He was ruling and keeping the chair warm for Rama. Poor guy, did not even sit in the throne, but had Rama's shoes on there !! As soon as Rama returned he gave back the country, throne and quietly faded away. That is a good brother. Rama on the other hand.. well you can go and read Ramayana.. :) Krishnaavator is more interesting anyways.. :wink:

Yes, Why did he do that. Not because he had to. Thats how much he loved Rama. Thats how much Rama had infuenced his younger brother. Been a role model for him, that lakshman never thought he would come up to his brother. What do u mean by "Rama on other hand" -- what are trying to imply here.. Villain mathiri Laskhmanai yaemathii king aagama saenchaara raman????


Also you go it all wrong!! Krishna sight adichchaara?? I think you are mixing up the pranks of a kid with something else. Most gopikas when he was really young were adoring Krishna as a baby. All the girls he was with in Brindavan were his play mates.. you know all sorts of fun, dance and music and what not.. Except Radha who was in really love with him (and he with her) there is not one instance of anything inappropriate..

Common Vasan, Most of his lelaikal was in his teens, not when he was crawling !!!. Balaram and krishna teenla lootu adikarthuthaan most of his avatar is abt!!! There are many things that will say how he enjoyed his life then.. Elalrum didnt think krishna as a baby to them. Are u saying krishna was thought as a baby, when teen girls clothes was taken by krishna when he was in his youth and those teen girls thought krishna as their baby????

Kadichu kadichu sola kuudaathu solrathai.. we arent taking abt baby krishna here !!!!


Also, my dear Rama Team people.. Rama's Dad was married to three women - all of whom Rama respected as his own Mom. And he respected his own Dad. Just so happened that in his avator he is married to only Sita - but it does not mean Rama thought polygamy (at the time he lived) was in appropriate. Or wrong. Its only the 20th century innovation that attributes an additional dimension to Rama's life.

Yes he did respect, but thats his Dad, not him, he had his own principles and that was to stick with only one even though he had chances of being with 1000s of them !!!!


Let me repeat what anainar said. Team Krishna is not advocating polygamy where it is illegal. What we say is that in both Krishna's period and Rama's it was the norm. Neither Rama nor Krishna found it wrong - or atharma !

We Rama team again solroom, Yes it was a period when u can be with as many as you want, but thaanooda lovea oruthavangalukaaga kuduthu vaalntha Rama mathiri krishnan ellai, he was along the flow. Angae exceptional irunthathu Rama. So Rama had some good principles in his life even though the society allowed to be the other way, thats all !!!! True one, Love one, sweetheart, soulmate, wife, lover --- Rama thought all of these can be only person in his life and that was sita !!!! Not like krishna !!! Hope u get the point....


What is wrong is disprespecting women and not trusting them.

I think we had told u many times, That rama was not disrespecting or not trusting women. How can u brand a person like that evena fter sayign so many times the reason he was pushed to do that.

Do u know at what time we are talking abt. A time when the society can throw the women as an outcast. Not only the woman but the future kids lives are at risk too. Entha generation, I dont care abt the society, even if my wife and her caring babies are questioned, I can live thatnu irukalaam. But we are talking in the period, when women was too highly maintained and any single thing worng abt her will spoil her life !!!! so antha timela Raman appadi thannoda wifekkaaga panninathu thapae ellai !!! So dont brand him like that.


And what is important in a marriage (in choosing a husband) is that the person should love you wholeheartedly, and impartially, and stand for you (against every one !!) and be the greatest fun to be with.

Most important in a marriage is also this. Thanai nambi vantha wifekku entha vitha ketta paerum varamaa pathukarthu. After being with her father, its the husbands responsibility to take care of her. And thats what Rama did. He stood by her to prove to the society that was bad mouthing her that she was pure !!!! Plus who told u rama was not to be fun with. If thats the reason why should sita accompany him.. acho neenga sariyaana bore, let me be here in the palacenu irunthu irukalaam la!!!!


Be the best dad (who would spend time with his children) and have good friends, take care of his family (including the much extended family, like Pandavas!), and stand up for Dharma (like whole of Mahabharatha!)...

Rama was a good Dad, athaan eppo kuuda Luv-Kush pathi ellarkkum theriyuthu... Can u tell me few stories of krishna's kids please, like we have for luv-kush !!!. HE wasnt a father whoe scaped from his family, but situations split them apart and atlast they united and lead a peaceful life !!!


Now argue and tell me how or why such a person would make a poor husband and why girls should not go for a person like that !!!

A husband is always very poor for one and only reason. Friends, family ellam second. Thanooda pure love should not be shared but showered as such to his wife. Installmentla kudumbam nadathura entha husband'aiyum wifekku pudikaathu !!!! Intelligenta yaen rukumani and others complain panalainu kaekaatheenga.. they didnt, not every normal girl will accept it. Thats my point. Mother in law, daughter in law kulaiyae yaarekku urmai yarkku priority jaasthinu problem, plus ithu entirely oru different person in their love lifea??? Entha kaalathula irukeenga !!! Tell me one good example in the current flow where, a man with many wives is leading a peaceful life !!!!


ps: Krishna's siblings? His adoring older brother Balram, and the beautiful Subadhra!! And his extended family of Arjuna & pandavas... Even if you folks don't read or forgotten those epics, at least you should read what I wrote only couple of posts back.. :Ksp: Hey Krishna even treated all the yadhavas as his own family.... Padingo sir.... konjam padingoo... one of the best pics of Krishna' is him lifting up that mountain to protect the yadhavas, and their meagre possessions from the wrath of rain.. You need a whole mountain to protect his BIG family from rain.. not a small umbrella to hold four people.. :ahha:

First , Balram was his older brother, not his blood related brother. Second. Rama had brothers like laskhman and others who could even give up their life for their brother. Antha alavukku brothers irukaangana, antha raman epapdi irunthu irukanum with his family. Next hanuman and all the other peoples. His family was his fellow citizens remeber... no umberlla, mountain ellai.. Sky was the roof for them !!!!

Shy

sri_gan
03-18-2004, 03:39 PM
Shy,

Ivanga Ennamo Kannanukku mattum than kathalikka therincha mariyum... Rama vukku theriyatha mariyum rombe build up kodukuranga.

Inniki evening Geetham Radio naan podura pattu ellathukkum sernthu answer pannum :yes:

Shy
03-18-2004, 03:42 PM
Appadi poodunga sri !!!! :)

Shy

reks
03-18-2004, 06:44 PM
Nope.. Playful, naughty ellam irukalaam.. We arent questioning that... Oruthavanga kuuda illama... more than one lover irukaanga la thats indirectly alai paayurathu thaan... a way os manasu alai paayurathu thaan..


nope shy... krishna loved radha... but many girls did love him.. anai had explained how krishna married rukmini:
"Its a kantharva kalyanam.... Rukmini sends a note to him saying she loves him so much and her brother Rukmi is planning to marry her off to some other guy "...

so for some reason... only after this he decided to marry her.. so u cant say avar manasa alaya vitar... chumma pakra ponnu pinadi avar alayalayae :wink:

reks
03-18-2004, 06:58 PM
Hey, Ram kinda guys are polite (far more than krish), nice (again ditto), sweet (once more) to your friends.... The problem comes when he tries to use his charm to romance your girly friends typical krishna stuff, you see


:nono: No gokul.. Krishna never used his charm to ROMANCE his gfs... enna ivlo narrow minded'a irukeenga :wink: oru payan ponnu kitta pesna romance'a...



Who cares how he was as a kid.


only cos u keep saying that he romanced etc, we keep saying "he did all those pranks when he was a kid"... apram who cares'nu question vera :evil:



I know. Just go and read to find out whether he said NO
and he can never say no to any gal. Krishna type of guys can decently say no to marriage, but other things


see once again circle mathri athae edathula vanthu nikrom... krishna was just playful and friendly.. avar sight adikavo flirt panvo seiyala...



Ridiculous, how do you know. We all know that no wife can be happy about sharing he rhubby with another redneck, right

thats our mentality... thats how we were brought up... but those days, they werent like that.. many kings had 4,5 wives and they all lived happily... even today, in some religions this is accepted.. and i know a family, where that father had married two sisters.. both the ladies are happy and have absolutely no problems... cos as per them, its no big deal...



contradictory try again


both the places i am telling he was a faithful and loyal husband... wats contradictign here :Ksp:


Otherwise, just follow your smart team mates tactic if avoiding me

Nenaipu thaan polapa kedukum :lol: :lol: :lol:

sagi
03-19-2004, 01:04 AM
Nenaipu thaan polapa kedukum

engayo ketta pola irukke :think:

gokulan42
03-19-2004, 02:25 AM
Hey, Ram kinda guys are polite (far more than krish), nice (again ditto), sweet (once more) to your friends.... The problem comes when he tries to use his charm to romance your girly friends typical krishna stuff, you see


:nono: No gokul.. Krishna never used his charm to ROMANCE his gfs... enna ivlo narrow minded'a irukeenga :wink: oru payan ponnu kitta pesna romance'a...

Guys n gals, great info from our dearest friend reks :lol: :lol: Krish dint use his charm to romance.... So, did he use the force :lol: :lol:




Who cares how he was as a kid.


only cos u keep saying that he romanced etc, we keep saying "he did all those pranks when he was a kid"... apram who cares'nu question vera :evil:
So, do you mean no romance when he was a young guy ;) Even then no gal wud prefer that extreme too :lol: :lol:

Reks, I like you very very much ;)




I know. Just go and read to find out whether he said NO
and he can never say no to any gal. Krishna type of guys can decently say no to marriage, but other things


see once again circle mathri athae edathula vanthu nikrom... krishna was just playful and friendly.. avar sight adikavo flirt panvo seiyala...
Good to know that you are total... means totally confused my dear reks :lol: flirting is not sin. You can flirt with your spouse all the times and that is not a sin... :lol:




Ridiculous, how do you know. We all know that no wife can be happy about sharing he rhubby with another redneck, right

thats our mentality... thats how we were brought up... but those days, they werent like that.. many kings had 4,5 wives and they all lived happily... even today, in some religions this is accepted.. and i know a family, where that father had married two sisters.. both the ladies are happy and have absolutely no problems... cos as per them, its no big deal...
Thanks for conceding.... I think you are the 3rd person to concede here. We are ONLY talking in present current world. Look at the topic of the debate :lol:





contradictory try again


both the places i am telling he was a faithful and loyal husband... wats contradictign here :Ksp:
Its ok... Confusion can happen in debate like this :lol: Sorry, if I am brutal here. But, honestly I like you VERY much. And, I have most of the charismas that the original gokul had ;)





Otherwise, just follow your smart team mates tactic if avoiding me

Nenaipu thaan polapa kedukum :lol: :lol: :lol:

See, I intentionally left some holes that should be so visible to strong debaters like anainar, blues & Vasan. And, why are not they taking that :) If their team is stronger, beleive me. They wuda pounced me like anything.... Learn from them :lol:

anainar
03-19-2004, 03:04 AM
Yes, Why did he do that. Not because he had to. Thats how much he loved Rama. Thats how much Rama had infuenced his younger brother. Been a role model for him, that lakshman never thought he would come up to his brother. What do u mean by "Rama on other hand" -- what are trying to imply here.. Villain mathiri Laskhmanai yaemathii king aagama saenchaara raman????

Our question is where is Bharathan in the family photo as claimed by Sri_gan. Why would some one keep a kingdom waiting for some one and what did Rama do? He is not even in the family picture. Ithu thaana unga Rama Rajyam?

Yes he did respect, but thats his Dad, not him, he had his own principles and that was to stick with only one even though he had chances of being with 1000s of them !!!!

The main reason for quoting this is to emphasize the point that polygamy was not illegal during that time. Not to say the Rama followed polygamy. By having two wives, Krishna did not break the rule of law. That is the point Shy madame. What is good and what is not good for an individual is his own right. Just because you and I feel some thing is good for us, does not mean it is the same for some body else.

Rama was a good Dad, athaan eppo kuuda Luv-Kush pathi ellarkkum theriyuthu... Can u tell me few stories of krishna's kids please, like we have for luv-kush !!!. HE wasnt a father whoe scaped from his family, but situations split them apart and atlast they united and lead a peaceful life !!!

Can there be a better joke than this? Our man banishes his wife when she is pregnant to forest. She delivers the baby in the forest. They grow up without knowing their father. And you are garlanding him as a great father. Just because we know about them. It is because they were talked about to highlight what Rama did which is wrong.


First , Balram was his older brother, not his blood related brother. Second. Rama had brothers like laskhman and others who could even give up their life for their brother. Antha alavukku brothers irukaangana, antha raman epapdi irunthu irukanum with his family. Next hanuman and all the other peoples. His family was his fellow citizens remeber... no umberlla, mountain ellai.. Sky was the roof for them !!!!

Rama fought for his own selfish goal. Why did Krisha participate in Kurukshetra war? For his friends and relatives Paandavas. Did he gain anything by the war? Not a single penny. But he fought for justice. Because what Gauravas did was wrong. He did not fight for himself. That is selfless act. He did not need someone to give their life for him. He was ready to give his life for his friends/family. Is'nt that a good trait?

Cheers

Bluelotus
03-19-2004, 03:27 AM
Krishna Krishna Krishna

(sorry no time right now...plz don't end the debate soon...will come back tomorro/saturday and write a few words ...should be sleeping right now)

vasan
03-19-2004, 03:30 AM
Draupadi was in that horrible place - sold out like a commoner. By her very own husbands. (Our dear Rama Team will be very quiet about this 'reverse' polygamy.. Inconvenient, huh?) And to their horror and to the horror of every one else, Duriyothana orders his brother Dussathana to disrobe her - in public.

And my dear opposition team.. Do you know to whom she cried out to? The Krishna, about whom you all accuse of philandering, marrying multiple times, stealing womens clothes and so on.. And guess who came to the rescue? Not the angry and raging Bhima.. Not the 'Dharma' upholding Dharma, and not the finest Archer Arjuna. But the one who takes care of women, who is loved by all, and who treated Draupadi just as his sister - with all kanniyam and love and respect... KRISHNA...

If you still don't know what sort of a person Krishna is, time you read Panchali Sapatham. And if you still think Krishna type of person - some one who loves his wives, who is a romantic right down to the end, who stands for truth and justice, who stood by his friends, and who would answer the cries of a helpless woman - is a bad husband.. Well.. tough luck... Kaniirukka kaai kavarnththaRRu-nnu sollanum ithai..

Krishna is far better person. Females should desire to choose a Krishna any day compared to Rama.

reks
03-19-2004, 05:00 AM
Guys n gals, great info from our dearest friend reks Krish dint use his charm to romance.... So, did he use the force



So, do you mean no romance when he was a young guy Even then no gal wud prefer that extreme too


You can flirt with your spouse all the times and that is not a sin...

:doh: Krisha did love/romance/watever with radha... but not with all the gopikas as u ppl are trying to portray... theivamae.. ippovavathu puriyutha...



And, I have most of the charismas that the original gokul had
apdi nenaichi emanthu thaan ur wife wud've married u... :lol::lol::lol:

sagi
03-19-2004, 06:55 AM
Reks, I am lagughing....your last statement...hehehehe

ragi_kutty
03-19-2004, 02:54 PM
naanum join pannuran....... :)

sri_gan
03-19-2004, 03:00 PM
Our question is where is Bharathan in the family photo as claimed by Sri_gan. Why would some one keep a kingdom waiting for some one and what did Rama do? He is not even in the family picture. Ithu thaana unga Rama Rajyam?



Rombe build up kodukathinga iyanaar... Dasarathan picture kooda than illai.. athukaga enna panna panna mudiyum...

Ippo nenga Raman pathi thane pesurenga illa bharathan pathi pesurengala?

Krishna oda children yaar yaarunu ketta athukku answera kannum.. bharathan pathi peechu pogthu :P.

gokulan42
03-19-2004, 04:43 PM
Guys n gals, great info from our dearest friend reks Krish dint use his charm to romance.... So, did he use the force



So, do you mean no romance when he was a young guy Even then no gal wud prefer that extreme too


You can flirt with your spouse all the times and that is not a sin...

:doh: Krisha did love/romance/watever with radha... but not with all the gopikas as u ppl are trying to portray... theivamae.. ippovavathu puriyutha...

No still not ;) then why did you say 'Krishna dint use his charm (that too in caps ;)) to romance ladies.:) And, please explain the three golden quotes too :lol:





And, I have most of the charismas that the original gokul had
apdi nenaichi emanthu thaan ur wife wud've married u... :lol::lol::lol:
Reks, this is the only valid point your team made in the whole thread ;) And, I thank you on behalf of my team :lol: :lol:

See, your teammates came for support and encouragement for that one valid point :b:

sagi/ragi, continue support ur team for all her comments ;) reks needs it :lol:

reks
03-19-2004, 05:14 PM
No still not then why did you say 'Krishna dint use his charm (that too in caps ) to romance ladies. And, please explain the three golden quotes too

:00: epdi gokulllll.... Krishna didnt use his charm to romance ALL the girls he happned to come across.. he romanced only with his wives.... pothuma... :)



Reks, this is the only valid point your team made in the whole thread

And ur team is yet to make one :lol: :lol: :lol:



See, your teammates came for support and encouragement for that one valid point

sagi/ragi, continue support ur team for all her comments reks needs it

gokul, unga team'la yaar yaar irukanga kuda ungaluku therla :snooty:

san2003
03-19-2004, 10:40 PM
hi guys... im sori raman team... i will be not available for awhile coz i'll be moving from melbourne to perth and i am not sure i will online as frequently as now ... so sori guys and hope to meet u all soon :)

p/s: why goku has warning? :) goku will miss u :)
sagi mummy... will miss u :)

Shy
03-19-2004, 10:55 PM
Its ok san, take care and hope to see u soon !!!

move thaanae.. once settled come back :)

Shy

sri_gan
03-19-2004, 11:26 PM
hi guys... im sori raman team... i will be not available for awhile coz i'll be moving from melbourne to perth and i am not sure i will online as frequently as now ... so sori guys and hope to meet u all soon :)

p/s: why goku has warning? :) goku will miss u :)
sagi mummy... will miss u :)

Guku,

Vaaya koduthu mattikittar... It will be cleared by tomorrow morning...nenga kavalai padthinga.

Enjoy your move...Be sure to come back.

sagi
03-20-2004, 12:21 AM
hey san
so atlast moving ?
cool
enjoy
it is a super place
you will love
come back soon
waiting for you
cannot miss you for too long :(

gokulan42
03-20-2004, 01:56 AM
hi guys... im sori raman team... i will be not available for awhile coz i'll be moving from melbourne to perth and i am not sure i will online as frequently as now ... so sori guys and hope to meet u all soon :)

p/s: why goku has warning? :) goku will miss u :)
sagi mummy... will miss u :)

take care, sans.

dont worry about that warning... I will send you a mail on that, ok :)

vasan
03-20-2004, 01:59 AM
Have fun moving Sans.. :) Melbourne to perth is right across a continent.. :think: Nalla veyil...

Take care and godspeed !! Come back as soon as possible.. :)

Vasan

Ricky Ponting paarthaa hello solllunga.. tell him we 'hate' him.. :wink: :P

sagi
03-20-2004, 02:18 AM
and also tell warne that i hate him
vasan :yes:

butterfly
03-21-2004, 12:33 AM
OOps...judge team sernthutara?...appo yaru indha topic end panrathu...???....

gokulan42
03-21-2004, 12:35 AM
pattams, i replaced you. now, you replace me as a judge :)

looks like this debate is nearing its end...

sagi
03-21-2004, 01:41 AM
yeyyyyyyyyyyyyy :)
Butterfly is back :)

anainar
03-21-2004, 01:47 AM
Who is giving up? Looks like Rama team has gone on vacation. Enga team Vasan asked some questions and no one in Rama team is willing to answer.

It will be nice to have some one like Pattams as judge. :D :D I can bribe her with some poosanikkais. :lol:

Cheers

Bluelotus
03-21-2004, 07:41 AM
Anainar ..ther's really no need to bribe her...She is a woman after all...she knows deep down in her heart that Krishna would be the much better option :D

Sorry ppl, have been kinda busy but shall come up with something legible soon.

Bluelotus
03-21-2004, 05:29 PM
The question asked which type oft historical figure
a woman would want her partner to most closely resemble.
However what one should remember at all time is that
we are talking of the modern woman of Asian descent.
She is modern, however traditional she may at first appear
Her ideas and thinking have evolved with the time.
She is an independent woman, who can stand on her own 2 feet.
She is a graduate or at least has received basic education.
She works, she is a very active member of society.
She cares about the way her country is run, pays her taxes.
All in all she is the equal of any man. Perhaps one can also say that
she is slightly superior (plz don't kill me guys ...not just yet..)
as she still has to juggle household chores with her other responsibilities.
Yet she is a traditionalist.
(Yes I do understand that she isn't every woman...but she comes pretty close..me thinks)
She doesn't need someone to hold her hand while crossing the road.
Although she definitely does appreciate chivalry and courteousness.
she is not looking for the ultimate perfection of human nature to quote my
estimable opponent. she is looking for the Man who will respect her independence,
understand her and her dreams. One on whom she may lean on in difficult times.
she doesn't need someone who puts her on a pedestal and worships her...
for she is but human and thus fallible like the rest.
A man who will love her for who she is and not what he wishes her to be.
We are still talking of the modern woman of Asian descent.
She is traditional and will owe him allegiance, loyalty, fidelity and respect.
However she shall expect the same in return. Marriage is a two way street or perhaps
a more apt description would be Tango...
both partners need to be in tune to each other ..otherwise it really won't look too good
(for more info on Tango plz address my estimable team mate Vasan).
So of course adultery is a big no-no.
Plz try and remember at all times while arguing that we r talking abt a woman of the 21st century
not one from the Mahabharata or Ramayana times.
Times have changed and society too along with it.
As another estimable opponent is wont on pointing out...change is constant.
In this day and age ...polygamy is illegal in most countries and only allowed by certain religious groups.
So we r only talking abt potential monogamous partners. It's not just women who are monogamous ...
men too nowadays are monogamous.
(not talking abt the many ppl suffering from various psychotic disorders
which prohibits them to commit to one person..)
As I said she does now expect fidelity. but that does not automatically mean that she wants A Rama
type of a guy, simply because he was one of the very few who had just one spouse.
That simply is not a valid reason to epitomise him as the perfect husband.
I also feel that my estimable opponents seem to harbour a very misguided opinion of men in general.
They are not rabid philanderers, they too share the same moral values as modern women.
The Characteristics of a Modern Krishna is far more sought after than that of a Modern Rama.
Krishna was suave and debonair and not a Mummy's boy like Rama was. Fine Rama was indeed a string and just ruler...
He did indeed bend the Bow and win the Fair Janaki's hand...but he did not fully stand by the vows that
he made the day he accepted her as his spouse.
Yes he fought Ravana and got her back from Lanka but the one thing that my opponents seem to have obliterated from their memory is:
after Janaki was made to walk on the fire to prove her innocence / virtue...
They returned to the kingdom after the exile.
Rama's subjects started to again question Janaki's virtue or fidelity to their king.
She was at the time pregnant.
Rama wanting to be a good king to his subjects,
hearing the rumours Rama decided to set Janaki aside.
Having made this decision he asked his brother Laxmana
to take his wife to an ashram and leave her there
Laxmana was heartbroken but obeyed his brother.
However Janaki was not aware of Rama's decision till they reached the Ashram.
She was heartbroken that her husband set aside...
but lived on for the sake of her unborn children.
Now plz tell me ....didn't Rama acerbate the rumours that were flying at the time by acting so rashly?
He condemned his wife's virtue himself by setting her aside, it's as if he too questioned her virtue. Actions tend to speak louder than words, when rumours and scandals are involved.
So she poor woman gave birth to her children and raised them on her own with the help of some monks and nuns....she has to take all the credit for those children...they r more hers than they will ever be his.
Now if u look at the final stage of the epic (Kambar Ramayana....translated and shortened to a few pages for ppl like me was the source of all this) She, her sons and Valmiki go to the palace ...and having seen his sons Rama is very happy ...and wants to be a family again...but does he welcome Janaki with open arms...no again he asks her publicly to tell the whole world that she has never thought of or been with anyone other than him......How humiliating is that? especially in front of one's own children.........well Janaki calls upon the Earth Goddess for deliverance...sh basically had enough of her husbands constant doubts...even if u all say he didn't doubt her ...his actions say the contrary.

Now we come to Krishna the darling of all. Yes he was very mischievous child....but tell me who wasn't? an adventurous teenager. He may have flirted with all the gopikas and Other women...but tell me who hasn't flirted?
Flirting is actually quite harmless...unless it has a nefarious reason behind it.
Teenagers and singletons all flirt and all try to learn more abt the opposite sex as much as they can...after all they r quite mysterious to one...the opposite sex that is
He didn't break any-body's heart knowingly....He loved all his followers equally.
Now let's get away from the God that Krishna is and go to the Man that he was...although it is very difficult to differentiate between the 2

He married women that loved him and he showered love equally on them. He looked after them...he didn't question their virtue by his actions...he stood by them
He was a good father...simply because his children are not as well known as Lava and Kusha doesn't mean that he was not a good father.
The reason why the sons of Janaki are so well known is because of the scandal...Rama didn't bring up his children himself.
The children of Krishna were well loved and cared for by their father and their mothers....they had happy balanced childhoods and grew to be normal ppl...(and also he had a lot more children than Rama)
Marrying a man who shares characteristics with Krishna doesn't mean as my estimable opponents keep implying misguidedly that one will have to share her husband with many mistresses
It certainly does not.
Yes he is a man who will be quite popular...and more than likely would have been a lady's man b4 marriage...but once they do commit they will stand by their vows....how can I be so sure?
Well it 's very very simple...they r men of their words
They have strong convictions and come what may they will uphold them.
such is the real character of Krishna-like Men.
They are the real Dragon Slayers...the only ones who have enough strength of character to stand by our modern Woman of Asian/Indian descent. To support her through difficult times without smothering her....to respect her wishes, and the only ones who will value her for who she is and not for who he wishes her to be.
The Krishna-man will believe in her and God protects anyone who dares spread rumours abt her virtue...for he shan't set her aside using the paltry excuse that it will be for her own good and that of the unborn children. He will defend his wife's integrity and virtue and even defy his elders or authority for the good of his wife and children. A real knight in shining armour
Isn't that what every girl yearns for ...be she Indian, Srilankan, Nepali or whatever....a prince in shining armour who shall belive in her and defend her...even if she can do it on her own too ?

Wanting a man like Krishan I repeat doesn't mean getting only a fraction of a man. Krishna was faithful to his spouses. He was also chivalrous and courteous towards women.
He saved the Draupadi from humiliation, he came to the aid of maidens in distress....
let's face it if there is a man like Krishna he would be snapped up in no time at all....
he did not at any time raise his hands against or take advantage of the women who loved him did he?

I could carry on praising men like Krishna till Kingdom comes...but I personally don't have the time ....so plz read all previous posts by Anainar, Vasan, Reks and myself if u have any questions on his many qualities

On this note I must end this rather long tirade.....
Yes, women nowadays do want a man like Krishna and not a Rama-type.


Blue.

:oops: I'm really really sorry it's so long ... :?

butterfly
03-21-2004, 05:43 PM
It will be nice to have some one like Pattams as judge. I can bribe her with some poosanikkais.


hehehehehe....poosanika ellam venam...have a stock ;)...make our shalini team win appo than olunga judge panuven :)...kidding guys
sagi & gokulan,
Have asked my anna to come & judge...parpom if he has time he might :)

anainar
03-21-2004, 05:59 PM
Bluelotus,

Amazingly coherent argument. :clap: :clap: :clap: You have defined what modern women expect in men these days

she is not looking for the ultimate perfection of human nature to quote my
estimable opponent. she is looking for the Man who will respect her independence,
understand her and her dreams. One on whom she may lean on in difficult times.
she doesn't need someone who puts her on a pedestal and worships her...
for she is but human and thus fallible like the rest.
A man who will love her for who she is and not what he wishes her to be.

This is a clear definition of what women want. You have gone to the root of the problem and defined what the requirement is. No one fits the bill better than Krishna.

Atleast now Rama team should either give up or come with a reasonable argument of why Rama would fit the bill.

Pattams, I know you have enough stocks, as you did not use it for a while. But you can stock more :D :D. Say hi to your brother from all of us. Hoping to see him also join geetham family.

Cheers

vasan
03-21-2004, 10:38 PM
He was a good father...simply because his children are not as well known as Lava and Kusha doesn't mean that he was not a good father. The reason why the sons of Janaki are so well known is because of the scandal...Rama didn't bring up his children himself.
The children of Krishna were well loved and cared for by their father and their mothers....they had happy balanced childhoods and grew to be normal ppl...(and also he had a lot more children than Rama)


Amazingly well put, Blues. Perfectly logical, and a great summary of all the salient arguments from Krishna Team. You did it, my esteemable teammate!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

One mild point of correction - just so we would be statistically right as well. Krishna had many sons - some say more than 16000 :D .. With 16000 of them its hard to note all the names.. (hey, no one knows more than two or three of the names of Gauravas!! and they were only one hundred !!)...

Rukmini had ten sons.. one of the prominent is Pradyunmna.. There is nice little story that runs to three full chapters too on him. Bhama also had ten sons and the prominent ones are Bhanu and Subhanu.. His queen from the forest Jambavati had 10 sons as well, including Samba.. And so goes the list.

Many of them also perished fighting for Pandavas. On top of it, Arjuna son by Subhadra (so Krishna's nephew) also grew up with his uncle.

Rukmi (brother of Rukmini, who eloped with Krishna) had a grand daughter who married Krishna's grandson. This ended the ill will between the families..

Pradyumna was married to Mayawati - who also brought him up since he was a kid in the forest. (He married some one older)!! And Mayawati being used to the ways of the forest was very uncomfortable in Mathura, and Krishna, the Father-in-law !!, was the only one who understood her and brought her into the fold. He first blessed their marriage..

Pradyumnaa's second marriage was a suyamvara, which rivals the story of any marriage - including Rukmini/Krishna, Subadhra/Arjuna and Rama/Seetha..

Well.. I could go on and on.. But the point is already won, thanks to a very beautiful summary arguments and closing remarks from Blues.. :b:


Vasan

Bluelotus
03-22-2004, 02:14 AM
( :oops: :sm03: :oops: )

I knew it!...see Krishna's kids didn't simply disappear out of the txt books...they too were quite important :ee:


arguments and closing remarks from Blues

:00: :nono: :?

That will be done at the appropriate time by our most estimable Captain....and delivered in such a way....that the Rama Team will simpy switch their allegiance to Krishna :sm10:

reks
03-22-2004, 06:03 AM
:clap: :clap: :clap: blue... hats off to you... that was simply superb... all ur points :)

ragi_kutty
03-22-2004, 11:13 AM
:)

ragi_kutty
03-22-2004, 11:16 AM
:)

Shy
03-22-2004, 04:01 PM
Hi Guys,

Pattams judge panrathula I am too happy, but my concern is , she has already said she is not aware of both Rama and Krishna. so I guess it will be appropriate to choose a person who know both of them !!!

Butterfly, thappa nenaichukaatheenga, neenga solrathai vachu thaan naan sonaen :)

Shy

anainar
03-22-2004, 04:15 PM
Shy,

That is more the reason for Pattams to be the judge, as we can expect an unbiased judgement based on what is told in the posts. :D :D

Enna naan solrathu? Do we all agree?

Cheers

Shy
03-22-2004, 04:23 PM
The question asked which type oft historical figure
a woman would want her partner to most closely resemble.
However what one should remember at all time is that
we are talking of the modern woman of Asian descent.
She is modern, however traditional she may at first appear
Her ideas and thinking have evolved with the time.
She is an independent woman, who can stand on her own 2 feet.
She is a graduate or at least has received basic education.
She works, she is a very active member of society.
She cares about the way her country is run, pays her taxes.
All in all she is the equal of any man. Perhaps one can also say that
she is slightly superior (plz don't kill me guys ...not just yet..)
as she still has to juggle household chores with her other responsibilities.
Yet she is a traditionalist.(Yes I do understand that she isn't every woman...but she comes pretty close..me thinks)

Ellam ok.. I appreciate the Last line. That means enna thaan shes standing in her 2 feet, Her husband is more important to her and she wont lead him :) Husband is a person who will look after her for her rest of her lives.


She doesn't need someone to hold her hand while crossing the road.
Although she definitely does appreciate chivalry and courteousness.
she is not looking for the ultimate perfection of human nature to quote my
estimable opponent. she is looking for the Man who will respect her independence,
understand her and her dreams. One on whom she may lean on in difficult times.
she doesn't need someone who puts her on a pedestal and worships her...
for she is but human and thus fallible like the rest. A man who will love her for who she is and not what he wishes her to be.
We are still talking of the modern woman of Asian descent.
She is traditional and will owe him allegiance, loyalty, fidelity and respect.
However she shall expect the same in return. Marriage is a two way street or perhaps
a more apt description would be Tango...
both partners need to be in tune to each other ..otherwise it really won't look too good
(for more info on Tango plz address my estimable team mate Vasan).
So of course adultery is a big no-no.
Plz try and remember at all times while arguing that we r talking abt a woman of the 21st century
not one from the Mahabharata or Ramayana times.
Times have changed and society too along with it.

Of course we know we are talking abt a current trend woman. But as u said, whatever time may it be, having more than one wife is still a no no right???? So even though krishna's wives didnt voice up and ask him.. it doesnt mean they were happy as they were. Sharing love is sharing love. Thats it period. A person like rama is a person who doesnt do that. Raman mathiri perfect man illaina kuuda parava ellai. Avanai mathiri yaega pathini verathana irunthaa poothum for every woman !!!!


That simply is not a valid reason to epitomise him as the perfect husband.

I wont accept this. Foundation for perfect marriage is to be one for one. Every family has ups and downs. But namakkunu irukaanganu antha binding, u will nto get when u share ur love.
A realtionship between a wife and husband is not blood related, But irunthaalum its the greatest one one can have why??? The reason is simple. The couples shower their true love to their partner. Antha love vaera yaarukkum avanga share pana maataanga. So a guy who is dedicated to his wife is "THE PERFECT HUSBAND".


The Characteristics of a Modern Krishna is far more sought after than that of a Modern Rama.
Krishna was suave and debonair and not a Mummy's boy like Rama was. Fine Rama was indeed a string and just ruler...

ooh hold on!!!! Who told u hes a mommy's boy. For ur kind information Krishnakku thaan entha turn panninaalum mom's. Please tell me one good reason that he acted as per his moms wish and not krishna. Hindu god'snu vanthaalae, mom is an important factor in their life, so u cant split krishna alone from that. Dont mislead :)


He did indeed bend the Bow and win the Fair Janaki's hand...but he did not fully stand by the vows that he made the day he accepted her as his spouse.

U are not understanding the duties of a husband. As I had said all along. No one did reply to me. What will u people do when ur spouse is under the gun of the public. When u know the more u keep quiet the more the people talk. Also its not just for ur wife that ua re doing this, but for ur future kids. How will it look when people question the father of those kids ????
Chumma he didnt stand by hernu paesaatheenga. HE did stand by her and got back her respect and also did what he had to do as a father even before they were born.


Having made this decision he asked his brother Laxmana
to take his wife to an ashram and leave her there
Laxmana was heartbroken but obeyed his brother.
However Janaki was not aware of Rama's decision till they reached the Ashram.
She was heartbroken that her husband set aside...
but lived on for the sake of her unborn children.
Now plz tell me ....didn't Rama acerbate the rumours that were flying at the time by acting so rashly?

Either she can live in that same city with people talking abt her daily and cursing her and questioning her pregnancy
OR
She can peacefully be in a place where she can not be hear any depressing talks or curses.

In a preganancy time which one do u prefer. ??? Eppo sollunga raman thannoda wife kaagavaum, future kids kaagavum saenchathu enna vithathula thappu???

Enna neenga sonaalum, if u are a woman u can never share ur husband. And thats fact. Whether he flirted before his marriage or not is not a problem. The problem is when hes with more than one person after the marriage. And thats krishna.

Shy

gokulan42
03-22-2004, 09:24 PM
Shy,

That is more the reason for Pattams to be the judge, as we can expect an unbiased judgement based on what is told in the posts. :D :D

Enna naan solrathu? Do we all agree?

Cheers

I agree. Pattams, if you have any doubts, let me know ;) *purely kidding*

Shy
03-22-2004, 10:02 PM
Shy,

That is more the reason for Pattams to be the judge, as we can expect an unbiased judgement based on what is told in the posts. :D :D

Enna naan solrathu? Do we all agree?

Cheers

Anainar

Though I can agree to u to some extent, it holds good only on topics that does not need the judge to know the background of the topic such as...kalviyaa selvamaa etc..
The reason I said is, What u said can be true, if the debate is not on any topic involving history. Rama and krishna both have a big epical history.. The contestants cannot explain the epic ramayana and mahabharata to the judge to make her understand abt rama and krishna, instead concentrate on just a point. Would it make sense for normal person who does not know the history of jerusalem to be a judge in deciding to whom it belongs? or would it make sense for a person to be a judge on deciding who was to blame in the death of jesus? etc etc.. without being a christian or a jew who knows the history.. or atleast the bible..
so the thing is.. topics that has historical background needs a judge who is knowledgeable in it atleast to some extent so that they can weigh the pros and cons discussed and then give the verdict.

Hope u get my point :D


Shy

vasan
03-22-2004, 10:10 PM
Yes, Pattampoochi will be a fair judge. You don't have to know any epics. If the judges knows the epics and has his/her own opinion, no point in arguing it out. Judge, especially in historical/epic related topics, should be impartial and not-have-preconcieved opinions. She can read all the posts that have been made, (and since both the posts provided enough of evidence to their claim), she can judge based on the posts...

It would be fair and square.... And thats how a verdict should be...

I am OK with pattampoochi as the judge.. (if only we had such impartial judges in our courts also.. justice would have been served at least in some cases.. :wink: he. he... Butterfly-kku ice vaikkanum.. :D )

Vasan

Shy
03-22-2004, 10:23 PM
Yes, Pattampoochi will be a fair judge. You don't have to know any epics. If the judges knows the epics and has his/her own opinion, no point in arguing it out. Judge, especially in historical/epic related topics, should be impartial and not-have-preconcieved opinions. She can read all the posts that have been made, (and since both the posts provided enough of evidence to their claim), she can judge based on the posts...

It would be fair and square.... And thats how a verdict should be...

I am OK with pattampoochi as the judge.. (if only we had such impartial judges in our courts also.. justice would have been served at least in some cases.. :wink: he. he... Butterfly-kku ice vaikkanum.. :D )

Vasan

Well, u didnt get my point and I am not going to argue on it anymore. Again solraen answer me this, Would it make sense for normal person who does not know the history of jerusalem to be a judge in deciding to whom it belongs? or would it make sense for a person to be a judge on deciding who was to blame in the death of jesus? etc etc.. without being a christian or a jew who knows the history.. or atleast the bible.. If u didnt understand this, let me put it this way. Just by the arguments of a prosecutor and Defentant, u are saying that anyone can be a judge in civil courts and not required to have a criminal law degree. Here I am meaning the judge places the verdict because he know the law.. Is it impartial in anyway??? If these make sense, then its fine.

Shy

Comenaughty
03-22-2004, 10:25 PM
hehehehe...... the geetham girls shud probably start a topic with "what type of girls do guys want..... Cleopatra or Sita....." wud be interesting to compare this topic with that one ;) :sm12:

Shy
03-22-2004, 10:28 PM
hehehehe...... the geetham girls shud probably start a topic with "what type of girls do guys want..... Cleopatra or Sita....." wud be interesting to compare this topic with that one ;) :sm12:

:evil: :evil: :evil: naughty ungalooda kusumbhukku alavae ellaiyaa... :lol: :lol:

Shy

sri_gan
03-22-2004, 10:30 PM
Oh Shy Mattikittanga.... I'm back in action now.. Moday vala koncham vellai athigama poochuthu...

Thoo vanthutten...

Comenaughty
03-22-2004, 10:35 PM
total sidetrack post:
sri,
konjum TR oda original cine dialogues indha topicla post pannu ya..... namma enemy camp leader katteri padam potturkaaru :00:

http://www.geetham.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8423 :00:

and shy,
enakku adhu nalla topic'ka thoonudhu :oops: ...... neenga ennada'nu "kusumbu" nu classify panreenga :oops:

sri_gan
03-22-2004, 10:39 PM
The reason why the sons of Janaki are so well known is because of the scandal...Rama didn't bring up his children himself.


Bluelotus,

See here my comparison.

Rama Avtar is Before Krishna and Rama did only one mistake in war which is the Vaali vatham... which was against the war codes.

If you look at the Krishna avatar, he did won the war with all by mistakes (means suthirathari... he don't cares about rules, he will win if he decides to win thats the nature.).

When you compare these two epics you can clearly see that.

This is one reason why the Krishna's Family didn't grow, you argue for the sake that all dwaraka is his family but it is not a blood family like Rama had.

The major fall of Krishna is due to Gandhari, Duriyodhana's Mother, she cruses krishna so bad and that was the major reason for the fall of Krishna's own family. She is a mother of 100 Kids and Krishan played a mischief when she was trying to protect her son Duriyodhana.. Its a detail story venumana solluren.


No can change this fact.

Krishna is playful over his life, he did protected a person and these two reason's cannot be a fact for a women to decide a life partner.

Nalla Yosichu pathil sollunga.... Krishna part is there in every guy no question, but a guy become a man when he is like rama... rest are just people and it is purely my opinion.

Nenga antha krishna avatharathai ketta kooda.. he will like only Rama no question.

Naan ketta kelvikku orutharum answer pannalai.. onnu ungalukku theriyalai illaina therincha virumbalai illaina therinchum sollalai.

I'm on the full swing now... inniki pathuralam.

anainar
03-22-2004, 11:16 PM
Sri,

We will one way or the other today for sure. :lol:

Vasan replied in detail about the children of Krishna. It tracks the offsprings of whole Yadava dynasty. So, I am not going to repeat that.

On your question about war code, that will be a different topic. There also, Rama did violate war code Vaali did curse him. Because of which both Rama and Lakshmana were unconscious and Hanumaan has to get Sanjeevi for bringing them back to life. It is true that Yadava dynasty fell down not because of Gandhari's curse, but because of the children of Krishna making fun of Viswamithrar who gave a curse.

True, that Krishna was a suthrathari for many things like taking away kavasa kundalam of Karnan, making Kundhi take a pledge from Karnan for not firing naagaasthiram more than once and a lot many such things. But that is beyond the point. He wanted dharma to win and was ready to be a suthradhari. And who ever complied with Krishna did voluntarily. He played the weaknesses of opponents which actually is a skill. But more than that, this quality is beyond this discussion since it is about what women want.

You did not answer Vasan's another post. When Draupadi was being stripped, she did not call any other god, but Krishna for help. Isnt than reason enough to say that he is a protector of virtues of women, though playful with his wives?

Cheers

sri_gan
03-22-2004, 11:33 PM
Vasan replied in detail about the children of Krishna. It tracks the offsprings of whole Yadava dynasty. So, I am not going to repeat that.


Sorry Iyanaar thats not an answer. Thats the same thing I implied to Bharatha Naadu.. but vasan could not stand that :P. Historya princhu meya arambichutaar...

All the Yadava dynasty is not from Rukmani :P.

Krishna's Decline is not because of Viswamithrar may be the Yadhava Dynasty.

I can explain with a Proof from Mahabaratha.. athukku enna sollurenga.

Krishna cannot be taken as an example for a family life and he can be a good brother /a lover / good kid but not as a father/husband thats for sure. There is no solid explanations in the epics how he lived as a husband / Father.

In case of Ramayana we have... its a know fact how you take it ;) on the other case there is nothing to take... so krishna is not even near to Rama in case of a family.

If I understand correctly Iyanaar, you do know certain fact, you didn't bring it for fun ;).

Well you see the fun now.

vasan
03-22-2004, 11:41 PM
Sorry Iyanaar thats not an answer. Thats the same thing I implied to Bharatha Naadu.. but vasan could not stand that . Historya princhu meya arambichutaar...


Dude, you quote history flat out wrongly and then hypothize saying may be this or perhpas that.. And call me I mistook history :evil: :evil: (the smilies are some one's influence.. :wink: )

Bharatha Nadu is because of Bharath son of Shakuntala. Don't invent new things. And Yadhav history is yadhava history. Stick to facts - and not your versions of mahabaratha and ramayana...

Idhula fun vera.. nalla kadhaiyaa iruuku.. Sir.. Sri-gan avargale.. all these stories oorla villupaattukku udahavum, not to win arguments.... :lol: :lol:

sri_gan
03-22-2004, 11:51 PM
Idhula fun vera.. nalla kadhaiyaa iruuku.. Sir.. Sri-gan avargale.. all these stories oorla villupaattukku udahavum, not to win arguments....



Yaaru win pannuranu paapom.... :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

There is no chance that a girl come and says she want only krishna.... if she does then she can only be madhavi no chance a Sita comes and say :sm12: pathiralam.

Naan villu pattu padurano... vivaram therinchu padurano... Raman team jaikithu... pathiralam...


Namma Iyanaar annachi krishna oda innoru fact eduthtu vanthathai marikka pathar...


nenga History le periya aaluthane...

Krishna's Decline is not beacuse of Viswamithrar.. athukku enna sollurenga :sm12:

vasan
03-23-2004, 12:00 AM
There is no chance that a girl come and says she want only krishna.... if she does then she can only be madhavi no chance a Sita comes and say pathiralam.


Perhaps no Sita (like she had any chance to live her life the way she perhaps wanted.. !!) and no one from your team - but sure enough 16000 women came to love and live with Krishna..

And some did not want to marry any one else, living in loving Krishna.. Ask Rukmini why she chose to elope with Krishna.. Ask why Draupadi called to Krishna in time of need... Ask Radha whom she would choose... Ask Andal and Meera, my dear man... :) Time you read some good poetry from these people to know what sort of guy Indian women - tradiotional, devoted women - want in a husband.. Not fiction or bravado TeamRama.. Just plain old facts and reasoning.. :lol: :lol:

:D :D :D :D

sri_gan
03-23-2004, 12:17 AM
Perhaps no Sita (like she had any chance to live her life the way she perhaps wanted.. !!) and no one from your team - but sure enough 16000 women came to love and live with Krishna..

And some did not want to marry any one else, living in loving Krishna.. Ask Rukmini why she chose to elope with Krishna.. Ask why Draupadi called to Krishna in time of need... Ask Radha whom she would choose... Ask Andal and Meera, my dear man... :) Time you read some good poetry from these people to know what sort of guy Indian women - tradiotional, devoted women - want in a husband.. Not fiction or bravado TeamRama.. Just plain old facts and reasoning.. :lol: :lol:

:D :D :D :D

There is no weight at all dude...

There is saying a Women becomes a complete Women when she becomes a Mother.

There is not part for Krishna on that :sm12:

Like I said He can be a Brother / Warrior/ Lover / Kid but not as a Father / Husband. These are missing in his part...

Nee enna kattu kathu kathunalam Fact is a Fact. We Rule the entire domain of a human life.

We have A Love

We have A Family with Children.

We have A Kingdom

We have A Warrior

We have A Krishna Part inside us too which means Krishna is just Inside Us.

These are only one way only and it cannot be implied vice versa in case of krishna.. :sm12:


All in One... There is no equivalent.. We ruled and We Rule.

Say "Rama" It means what I said.

How is it?

Ippa enna sollure?

anainar
03-23-2004, 12:19 AM
There is no chance that a girl come and says she want only krishna.... if she does then she can only be madhavi no chance a Sita comes and say pathiralam.

We are talking about Rama or Krishna and why are you trying to be judgemental about the women? Let us not divert the topic.

What is the funny thing about Krishna? You tell us. We have put enough points which are still to be answered.

Cheers

sri_gan
03-23-2004, 12:21 AM
There is no chance that a girl come and says she want only krishna.... if she does then she can only be madhavi no chance a Sita comes and say pathiralam.

We are talking about Rama or Krishna and why are you trying to be judgemental about the women? Let us not divert the topic.

What is the funny thing about Krishna? You tell us. We have put enough points which are still to be answered.

Cheers

Anne see the post above yours... We are in a full swing :sm12: nenga neinaikirathukkula naan type panni mudichiruven :sm12:

Shy
03-23-2004, 12:24 AM
Perhaps no Sita (like she had any chance to live her life the way she perhaps wanted.. !!) and no one from your team - but sure enough 16000 women came to love and live with Krishna..

Yaar appadi sonna. Naan solraen.. I will be with a guy who loves me truly and undividingly even though we have come slashes between us, but cant be with a one who has more wives like me !!!! Also I think all girls here will want that too. Solla solunga oru ponnai.. if he has more than one wife its ok with me'nu... Even girls in ur team thaan kaekuraen.


And some did not want to marry any one else, living in loving Krishna.. Ask Rukmini why she chose to elope with Krishna.. Ask why Draupadi called to Krishna in time of need... Ask Radha whom she would choose... Ask Andal and Meera, my dear man... :)

Yeah they called. but why all girls are praying and have pooja to have a husband like rama, but krishna. Why is that the history says raman is yaega pathini virathan and a perfect husband. Evalvau paer kuupitu irukaanga ellai.. Appo yaen krishnavai solalai???? Because one and only fact Vasan, its time u understand that.

Krishna is prefect joy
Rama is a prefect husband and man


Time you read some good poetry from these people to know what sort of guy Indian women - tradiotional, devoted women - want in a husband.. Not fiction or bravado TeamRama.. Just plain old facts and reasoning.. :lol: :lol:

Neengo padikanumnu nenaikuraen. Ellarum praised his CHILDHOOD days and hes naughty days. None prayed except for aandal and meera and all his GFs to have a guy like him :)

Shy

sri_gan
03-23-2004, 12:26 AM
Connecting with my previous post....


We have A Love

We have A Family with Children.

We have A Kingdom

We have A Warrior

We have A Krishna Part inside us too which means Krishna is just Inside Us.

Simply we say Rama can be a Example for a Safer Human Life. Ithukkumela oru ponnukku enna thevai nu enakku theriyalai :sm12:

Shy
03-23-2004, 01:37 AM
There is no chance that a girl come and says she want only krishna.... if she does then she can only be madhavi no chance a Sita comes and say pathiralam.


Perhaps no Sita (like she had any chance to live her life the way she perhaps wanted.. !!) and no one from your team - but sure enough 16000 women came to love and live with Krishna..

And some did not want to marry any one else, living in loving Krishna.. Ask Rukmini why she chose to elope with Krishna.. Ask why Draupadi called to Krishna in time of need... Ask Radha whom she would choose... Ask Andal and Meera, my dear man... :) Time you read some good poetry from these people to know what sort of guy Indian women - tradiotional, devoted women - want in a husband.. Not fiction or bravado TeamRama.. Just plain old facts and reasoning.. :lol: :lol:

:D :D :D :D

Ithuku ithuku thaan sonaen, oru nalla atleast ramayanam, mahabaratham therinchavanga vaenumnu... Ellaina unga wordsla they might be misleaded. Mahabarathathula Eppadi vasan Rama varuvaar :sm18: :sm18: :sm18: :sm18: :sm18: :sm18: Eppo oru judge whose has knowledge on ramayana and mahabaratha will now that u yaematheefied people here ;) and this is not impartial judging, but knowing if facts are true !!!!!

Shy

gokulan42
03-23-2004, 02:13 AM
Just a brief: Before marriage, ladies never mind whether you are a ramlike or krish like. After marriage, ALL ladies will prefer you to behave like a ram and nothing lessssssssss

Pattams, discuss with your hubby and give the decision please :)

vasan
03-23-2004, 02:20 AM
I didn't ask why Draupadi didn't ask Rama to come... I asked why did Draupadi, in a palace full of people with valor - and in a country where Bhisma is still the figure head, choose to call a person whom you all claim as 'not-good-enough-for-a-girl'... Why is some one who

Nothing to cheat, Shy. It was already explained in a post earlier so I could only summarise in a line..

On the post before this one also... I said..


Perhaps no Sita (like she had any chance to live her life the way she perhaps wanted.. !!) and no one from your team - but sure enough 16000 women came to love and live with Krishna..




And you replied...



Yaar appadi sonna. Naan solraen.. I will be with a guy who loves me truly and undividingly even though we have come slashes between us, but cant be with a one who has more wives like me !!!!


I already said Sita and members of your team will not ask for a husband like Krishna. Ofcourse I said, you would only seek a person like Rama. You said only what I already agreed on. Nothing more. Please don't be angry with me.. :(

On the other hand like I highlighted, all your team says is no-one would pray for a husband like Krishna. I alraedy showed, that so many prayed, and so many, against the wishes of thier family, eloped with Krishna. SO why are you all saying no body will ask for a guy like Krishna? Obviously Rukmini did (against her family) and so many others too....

And you keep repeating Krishna is perfect joy.. But he himself spoke in Gita that where ever there is adharma he is born to root out the evil. Which word should I take? The primary purpose of Krishna AVtor is not to teach people about Perfect Joy... (Rajeneesh claimed that, not Krishna.. !!), but to establish dharma. We could keep arguing about it, but like I said, its Krishna who said so, in Gita. Not me..

I am not even going to answer to Sri.. We have family (and a pregnant wife who is thrown out.. for whatever reasons and children who grew not knowing their father), we have love (not a word of it is spoken about love in ramayana.. except in Kambar's version, where as volumes of it in Krishnavator), Kingdom and a warrior (as though krishna never fought in a war and had no kingdom of his own.. :Ksp: ) and so on... Whatever Sir, Sri-gan, sir.. whatever..

One complaint of yours about Krishna having many wifes is the only legitimate point you folks have made (at least so far as I can see). Rama married only one person. Even though he threw the pregnant wife out of home (some sort of divorce, with no alimony? :00: :? ), still people say he was a better husband. Your questions on many wifes have already been answered in plenty by almost all the members of Krishna team.. no need to repeat them here..

I fully appreciate every ones view and particular choices they make about their spouses. In the modern India women need some one who would love them whole heartedly (don't bring back the same old 'sharing' complaint, please, please... read the rebuttal elsewhere), and stand by them, for them, and be their friend and a fun-person-to be with... Some one who would trust them, and tell the world to take a high jump... I think Krishna is such a person. And I think females should choose such a person too.

I am done with my arguments, since no newer points have been raised. Perhaps, our leader Anainar might want to add some closing remarks later (leave it to his discretion)... Thanks for your patience and understanding.. And some time wilfully misunderstanding my words for arguments sake.. :lol: :lol: As always I enjoyed the dialogue...

Peace, my friends, and love be upon your hearts !

Vasan

sri_gan
03-23-2004, 03:06 AM
I am not even going to answer to Sri.. We have family (and a pregnant wife who is thrown out.. for whatever reasons and children who grew not knowing their father), we have love (not a word of it is spoken about love in ramayana.. except in Kambar's version, where as volumes of it in Krishnavator), Kingdom and a warrior (as though krishna never fought in a war and had no kingdom of his own.. ) and so on... Whatever Sir, Sri-gan, sir.. whatever..


Unkitta sarakku illai nu sollu... :sm12: atha vittutu boycott ellam panna koodathu...

Ethanai Per Marriage pannitu wife india le vittutu inga varanga.. appo avanga ellam husbande illai nu solluriya...

Appuram Lava and Kusha know every single moment who is their dad. Yaaru sonna unakku they were grown without knowing their father. Lava Kusha Kathaiya olunga padippa.

ovoruthangalukku ovaru kastam athai purinchikiravan manusan..

athai samarthiyama samlikiravan arivalai...

athai kandu othunguravan komali...

Annaikki Ramankku nadantthathum.. inniki manaiviya pirinchu vaalura ovaru manusanukkum kannukku onnuthan... ithu puriyatti naan onnum panna mudiyathu.

Krishnan vaazhkaiyai nanga korai sollalai... oru family life kku athu correct illai nu than nanga solluraom... Most of the women are bounded to live a family life athai vachu partha krishnan valkaiya vida Raman vaalkai than rombe nallathu.

Fact is a Fact.

anainar
03-23-2004, 03:16 AM
Vasan,

That was a pretty great summary. What more can be said about our arguments? Every point talked about Rama team has been answered. Polygamy and multiple wives is out of question. They cant come with anything else apart from that. Then their talk about offsprings of Krishna and the downfall of Yadava dynasty which was answered by us. They are really out of any valid points.

Except some empty rhetoric that "We the warrior who will fight for our kingdom, I have a wife, but I will question her sanctity every now and then, I have children, but I wll banish them to the forest, I have children but will fight a war with them for Ashwametha yagna, I have brother who guarded my kingdom for 14 years but I will not even recognise him". Nothing else other than empty rhetoric.

Krishna was passionate about his citizens, was ready to lift a mountain to guard them, fought a selfless war for Pandavas to uphold dharma, plan and execute to perfection a just war, save Draupadi from ignominy, set example for people to follow even in 21st century. All these does not appeal to Rama team because they are blinded like a horse with eye covers. They see only one point and his ega pathini viratha. Even if we want to have multple wives, we cannot have unless we want to go to jail. This also is not being looked upon by them. I only wish they open their eyes see what the world is about and see what Krishna has to offer.

Unless any new points come up or witnesses brought up for cross examination, we can consider having wrapped up our arguments for Krishna. We rest our case Your honor( Who ever it is :wink: )

Cheers

sri_gan
03-23-2004, 03:32 AM
That was a pretty great summary.


Yes, looks like a team is crying for some space. Life doesn't work that way.



Except some empty rhetoric that "We the warrior who will fight for our kingdom, I have a wife, but I will question her sanctity every now and then, I have children, but I wll banish them to the forest, I have children but will fight a war with them for Ashwametha yagna, I have brother who guarded my kingdom for 14 years but I will not even recognise him". Nothing else other than empty rhetoric.


This is absolute nonsense. Bharatha preferred to be a Saint from the day one. This show how well they understood the storyline.




Krishna was passionate about his citizens, was ready to lift a mountain to guard them, fought a selfless war for Pandavas to uphold dharma, plan and execute to perfection a just war, save Draupadi from ignominy, set example for people to follow even in 21st century. All these does not appeal to Rama team because they are blinded like a horse with eye covers. They see only one point and his ega pathini viratha. Even if we want to have multple wives, we cannot have unless we want to go to jail. This also is not being looked upon by them. I only wish they open their eyes see what the world is about and see what Krishna has to offer.


Its absolute stupidity. Whatever may be the century Human is a Human.

Krishna can never be a family idol.

Is he a good warrior? yes

Is he a good brother? yes

Is he a good lover? yes

Is he a Husband / Father? Don't know.


This is my Simple way to close my arguments.

If Mahabaratha was such a worthful lesson for family, Kambar would have opted that for re writting in tamizh or a poet like Kambar if he was not during that period.

But if he opted only Ramayana, it means it has the resource for a single entity like you and me which means bounded to a family.

Life is full of learning situations, situation differs to each person, for that reason we cannot say we should not learn the lesson.

If you say Rama is not a good father, get the good qualities of rama for a family and leave the ones which you think its bad for your life. A total boycott is never been a solution and cannot be a solution for anytime.

We need to learn bounded to the place and its value, if we don't do it, its just not worth the knowledge acquired.

The topic in here is about "What kind of guys female want?"

If we look that into a depth knowledge.

In an ultimate lifestyle every women wants a man who loves her and adores her and shares the life path no matter what the situation is.

if you ask me whether Sita and Rama lead a peacful life? I will say yes... 'cause we see day today problems and we do face them.. some of the problems those couple faced may be in a different form according to the 21st century.

Does Krishna have an clear answer? Think panni parunga.... No.

Does Rama hava an answer? yes .. because he himself faced to vunerable part of the human life in a family.

Bluelotus
03-23-2004, 03:33 AM
Is ur only argument against Krishna that he had more than wife?
If so plz stop....I have already explained that in modern times...the Krishna -like man will stand by his vows made to his partner on their wedding day.
Whatever tactics Krishna may have used to win wars and arguments ....He never broke his word.
He shall remain faithful to his one wife and stand by her.
Rumours can be squashed and waggind tongues silenced...running from them is not now and never was the best option to stop rumours ..in fact it makes it worse.
Lava and Kusha may have known the names and life of their father...but he wasn't there to sing them to sleep...to teach them how to use a bow and arrow...to praise them or even to punish them.
Krishna was there.
Yes some men now days must travel far to earn a living and leave their families in their native lands. These men too are like Krishna ..men of their words, who will provide for their families.....do u think tht the father won't come back to their families if say the child was hospitalised for some reason...he would rush back......well Rama wouldn't have done tht ...cos he set his Lady aside for the good of his subjects and pretty much ignored them till they went to his palace......an had nothing to do with her or the sons
Rama is an examplary King...but to me he isn't QUITE the examplary husband that all seem to believe....he too had some flaws....

Blue.

*really really sorry if I offended anyone....in actual fact I love both Rama and Krishna......I think they r amazing Avatars of Lord Vishnu...Hare Rama! Hare Krishna!*

sri_gan
03-23-2004, 03:38 AM
Is ur only argument against Krishna that he had more than wife?
If so plz stop....I have already explained that in modern times...the Krishna -like man will stand by his vows made to his partner on their wedding day.
Whatever tactics Krishna may have used to win wars and arguments ....He never broke his word.
He shall remain faithful to his one wife and stand by her.
Rumours can be squashed and waggind tongues silenced...running from them is not now and never was the best option to stop rumours ..in fact it makes it worse.
Lava and Kusha may have known the names and life of their father...but he wasn't there to sing them to sleep...to teach them how to use a bow and arrow...to praise them or even to punish them.
Krishna was there.
Yes some men now days must travel far to earn a living and leave their families in their native lands. These men too are like Krishna ..men of their words, who will provide for their families.....do u think tht the father won't come back to their families if say the child was hospitalised for some reason...he would rush back......well Rama wouldn't have done tht ...cos he set his Lady aside for the good of his subjects and pretty much ignored them till they went to his palace......an had nothing to do with her or the sons
Rama is an examplary King...but to me he isn't QUITE the examplary husband that all seem to believe....he too had some flaws....

Blue.

*really really sorry if I offended anyone....in actual fact I love both Rama and Krishna......I think they r amazing Avatars of Lord Vishnu...Hare Rama! Hare Krishna!*

How much do you know about Krishna as husband which is after marriage?

How much do you know about Krishna as father which is after marriage?

If you say you don't know.. its absolute nonsense, I already gave the closing summary based on that category.

Puriyatti naan onnum panna mudiyathu.

gokulan42
03-23-2004, 04:04 AM
Rama is an examplary King...but to me he isn't QUITE the examplary husband that all seem to believe....he too had some flaws....

It is good that you (Krishna's team) accept that Rama has very few flaws if not none :) Where as we in Rama's team think that Krishna would be a very VERY VERY bad husband in the present circumstances because of his habits of polygamy, naughty, too talkative (it kills ya when you got to hear that all the time, may be thats why his wives never complain about his polygamy stuff ;)), not spending time with the spouse (come on, is it possible with his list :ee:), not showing the love that he did before marriage (again, its not possible with the evergrowing list :ee:) and so on and on and on.....

So, your honr, please conclude this debate favoring humanity ;)

*No offense to anyone, I love krishna more than you can imagine*

sri_gan
03-23-2004, 04:13 AM
Rama is an examplary King...but to me he isn't QUITE the examplary husband that all seem to believe....he too had some flaws....

It is good that you (Krishna's team) accept that Rama has very few flaws if not none :) Where as we in Rama's team think that Krishna would be a very VERY VERY bad husband in the present circumstances because of his habits of polygamy, naughty, too talkative (it kills ya when you got to hear that all the time, may be thats why his wives never complain about his polygamy stuff ;)), not spending time with the spouse (come on, is it possible with his list :ee:), not showing the love that he did before marriage (again, its not possible with the evergrowing list :ee:) and so on and on and on.....

So, your honr, please conclude this debate favoring humanity ;)

*No offense to anyone, I love krishna more than you can imagine*

Added to that, There is not much scripts about Krishna's Life after marriage but in Rama's case it is not the case which means, there is no equivalent source to compare.

Well, Krishna appeal to be an Icon when you talk about family, Rama is an Icon for the family.

If we take each and every person's life, you could compare to Rama's Life which is bounded to the society and for the Society through a family channel.

In the other case it cannot be, 'cause there is no source to compare. Even if you do, it will be a hidden source in any case.

suha
03-24-2004, 01:07 AM
http://www.artie.com/20001014/arg-womans-eyes-sm-blue-url.gif

shhhhhhh.......gup...chup..... i' am watching....... :ush:

sri baiya.......yellam correct ta irrukku........continue....... .. :yes:

ps: naan appo appo watch panna varuvein yarrum thita kudadhu ok va :Ksp:

butterfly
03-24-2004, 01:12 AM
Suha,
Just waiting for Vishnu to give his judgement...paarungo varuvaru nalla theerpode :)....all the best both teams :)

vennai1
03-24-2004, 01:27 AM
Suha,
Just waiting for Vishnu to give his judgement...paarungo varuvaru nalla theerpode ....all the best both teams





athu yaarungo...vishnu... duhhh! :doh: :doh:

kannanraja
03-24-2004, 01:32 AM
what a cool debate man. Ofcourse I have to side with the "popular" kannan team (by virtue of my name!!!).
Rama - people are unnecessarily purifying his character. I am not sure that's a practical character. On the other hand look at our buddy krish/kannan, he's very realistic, "ture" person. He represents more of the "normal" humans. So I like his character.

-K

butterfly
03-24-2004, 01:32 AM
athu yaarungo...vishnu... duhhh!


nalla yosichu paarungo...puriyum ;)

sri_gan
03-24-2004, 01:49 AM
what a cool debate man. Ofcourse I have to side with the "popular" kannan team (by virtue of my name!!!).
Rama - people are unnecessarily purifying his character. I am not sure that's a practical character. On the other hand look at our buddy krish/kannan, he's very realistic, "ture" person. He represents more of the "normal" humans. So I like his character.

-K

I'm not sure how you are saying it.

Normal humans cannot be represented as kannan, if that the case you know how the world would be. I can portray the postive and negative aspects of that world too.

But world is not like that which means, it was predocumented in one form with Rama.

If you just think about your own life you have a chance to compare with Rama in all ages and its really hard to do the same with kanna.

Shy
03-24-2004, 01:52 AM
hehe... technical vishnu vaa ;)

Shy