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Bluelotus
03-23-2004, 09:07 PM
Well after another heated discussion with my friend ....
Who maintained that the number of male babies is higher than the number of female babies...then male population goes through a steady decline till OAP stage(old age pensioners) when suddenly female numbers shoot up.

Course I had to go and find proof ...so thought might as well post it here (all from CIA website so u can all go check it up for veracity)
well turns out she was right ...in the case of USA and SL anyway.....but most countries have a higher male number compared to female till OAP stage...except for India which still has a higher number of male OAP than female ones.

Shall update with more weird facts at a later stage ...as I find them....feel free to do so urself

Australia
0-14 years: 20.2% (male 2,045,783; female 1,949,864)
15-64 years: 67.1% (male 6,680,531; female 6,553,141)
65 years and over: 12.7% (male 1,099,275; female 1,403,390) (2003 est.)

Canada
0-14 years: 18.5% (male 3,052,005; female 2,903,007)
15-64 years: 68.6% (male 11,099,907; female 10,984,903)
65 years and over: 12.9% (male 1,774,262; female 2,393,029) (2003 est.)

China
0-14 years: 23.1% (male 155,473,656; female 141,737,406)
15-64 years: 69.5% (male 461,223,219; female 433,154,970)
65 years and over: 7.4% (male 44,954,643; female 50,431,574) (2003 est.)

France
0-14 years: 18.6% (male 5,725,170; female 5,449,991)
15-64 years: 65.1% (male 19,619,994; female 19,583,850)
65 years and over: 16.3% (male 4,006,857; female 5,794,667) (2003 est.)

Germany
0-14 years: 14.9% (male 6,312,614; female 5,988,681)
15-64 years: 67.3% (male 28,213,316; female 27,240,648)
65 years and over: 17.8% (male 5,842,457; female 8,800,610) (2003 est.)

India
0-14 years: 32.2% (male 173,973,350; female 163,979,116)
15-64 years: 63% (male 342,620,712; female 319,259,867)
65 years and over: 4.8% (male 25,281,756; female 24,585,317) (2003 est.)

Malaysia
0-14 years: 33.7% (male 4,001,507; female 3,777,896)
15-64 years: 61.9% (male 7,163,252; female 7,131,745)
65 years and over: 4.4% (male 447,230; female 571,310) (2003 est.)

Nepal
0-14 years: 39.7% (male 5,424,396; female 5,080,171)
15-64 years: 56.7% (male 7,692,134; female 7,320,059)
65 years and over: 3.6% (male 468,697; female 484,112) (2003 est.)

New Zealand
0-14 years: 21.9% (male 443,837; female 423,118)
15-64 years: 66.5% (male 1,318,751; female 1,307,796)
65 years and over: 11.6% (male 199,722; female 258,083) (2003 est.)

Pakistan
0-14 years: 39.3% (male 30,463,958; female 28,726,776)
15-64 years: 56.5% (male 43,571,093; female 41,651,872)
65 years and over: 4.2% (male 3,051,674; female 3,229,367) (2003 est.)

Singapore
0-14 years: 17.3% (male 411,656; female 385,575)
15-64 years: 75.5% (male 1,687,217; female 1,793,783)
65 years and over: 7.2% (male 144,277; female 186,087) (2003 est.)

Sri Lanka
0-14 years: 25.2% (male 2,543,336; female 2,431,223)
15-64 years: 67.9% (male 6,518,145; female 6,890,424)
65 years and over: 6.9% (male 641,708; female 717,603) (2003 est.)

UK
0-14 years: 18.3% (male 5,621,590; female 5,350,319)
15-64 years: 66.1% (male 20,067,529; female 19,626,123)
65 years and over: 15.6% (male 3,987,457; female 5,441,630) (2003 est.)

USA
0-14 years: 20.9% (male 31,098,473; female 29,675,712)
15-64 years: 66.7% (male 96,628,469; female 97,061,559)
65 years and over: 12.4% (male 14,888,185; female 20,990,156) (2003 est.)

vasan
03-23-2004, 09:25 PM
Yo Blues...

CIA :? Veracity :? Well..well.. well.. Perhaps Mr. GWB and Mr. TB have some thing to say about that.. but I am curious to know what is the % thingy you gave.. It does not make much sense to me..


USA
0-14 years: 20.9% (male 31,098,473; female 29,675,712)
15-64 years: 66.7% (male 96,628,469; female 97,061,559)
65 years and over: 12.4% (male 14,888,185; female 20,990,156) (2003 est.)


For example quoting the stats for the "greatest country on Earth'.. whats 66.7 %? Does it mean about 66.7 % of the people live in that age bracket? hmm... Can we quote the % of females and males in these populations??

Only Canada, Aus, NZ, UK, US, Germany and France have two digits for 65 and above.. :b: good... Chances are that I might get to see another few more years.. :)

India seems to be the only country where for the age group of 65 and above there are less women than men..

All countries in this list shows more for 0-14 years than 65 and above.. More grand children than the grand parents.. And for Germany alone its more grand parents and less grand children.. :?

India, Nepal, Malaysia and Pak has more than 1/3 of population under 15...

India has the fewest grand parents above 65.... Time to send 'I love you grandma & grandpa' cards.. they are rare.. gotta preserve them.. :00: :D :D :D

Thanks for the demographics, Blues..

vasan
03-23-2004, 09:28 PM
Oh.. I must add.. you do have some interesting conversations with your friends.. I mean not just about henry and co.. :D :D

Vasan

could resist pulling that one on you.. :wink:

anainar
03-23-2004, 10:31 PM
Vasan,

You need a serious class in math. :lol: That percentage is with respect to the total poulation. In India only 4.8% is above 65 years while US has more than 12.8% in that bracket. This demography is what economists say is going to make a big difference in India. Beyond 65% you normally dont work or earn while 25-50 is the prime time for working and money making. So more the population in that brakcet with right opportunities, GDP of India will grow even more.

The reason could also be the life expectancy in India. I remember having read some where average life expectancy in India is between 50-60 while USA it is well beyond 70s. So a large number of old people die beyond 60.

Cheers

vasan
03-23-2004, 10:39 PM
Thanks, Anainar..

I figured it out eventually... :) Sum up all the percentages you get a hundred so it gotta be the percentage of people in a given age group wrt the total.. :b:

hmm.. perhaps a class in math is seriously required.. :(

:D :D :D

sri_gan
03-23-2004, 10:41 PM
Iyanaar,

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

Bluelotus
03-24-2004, 03:48 AM
Vasan wrote:

hmm.. perhaps a class in math is seriously required..

Don't worry dude I think I need one too....didn't really get till now...after reading Anainar's post......Annae if ur giving maths lessons ..I'm so signing up :oops:


the "greatest country on Earth'
where u from Teletubbies land or something? :00: :lol:

Yeah weird abt India having more Grandpas than Grandmas....wondering if it has to do with inaccurate census :think: (or another reason could be higher female mortality due to eg childbirth)


Henry and Co is kept for very special occasions :ee:

vasan
03-24-2004, 04:33 AM
Beyond 65% you normally dont work or earn while 25-50 is the prime time for working and money making. So more the population in that brakcet with right opportunities, GDP of India will grow even more.



(or another reason could be higher female mortality due to eg childbirth)


I agree anainaar. But the danger of over population always exist. The key in that statement, I think, is 'RIGHT' opportunities.. Opportunities are not endless and too many people sharing limited opportunities is not going to rise the GDP. But will surely affect it adversely.

Blues, higher female mortality due to child birth is not the reason for less grandmas.. :lol: My biology is even worse than math, but grandmas are not affected by childbirth. Humor apart, if you notice the difference is kinda the same (across gender) for all age groups for India. So female mortality is a point - but reasons could be several. Hopefully nothing sinister (like female infanticides or anything like that).

Vasan

Bluelotus
03-24-2004, 04:43 AM
higher female mortality due to child birth is not the reason for less grandmas.. My biology is even worse than math, but grandmas are not affected by childbirth. Humor apart, if you notice the difference is kinda the same (across gender) for all age groups for India. So female mortality is a point - but reasons could be several. Hopefully nothing sinister (like female infanticides or anything like that).

Actually if the women dies during childbirth then they never make it to Granny stage do they?....so tht in itself will reduce number of Grandmas ...but yea the gap is similar in all age groups...and what with certain states in India having only 7 females for every 10 males.....I would say Infanticide plays quite a role in the demographic distribution of India...
The reason why I had included China was tht China with the one child policy ...laso had quite a high rate of female infanticide at one point, although Male population is higher in the first 2 stages it hasn't carried on to the last stage...wonder if it's their diet now? :think:

gokulan42
03-24-2004, 04:45 AM
Beyond 65% you normally dont work or earn while 25-50 is the prime time for working and money making. So more the population in that brakcet with right opportunities, GDP of India will grow even more.



(or another reason could be higher female mortality due to eg childbirth)


I agree anainaar. But the danger of over population always exist. The key in that statement, I think, is 'RIGHT' opportunities.. Opportunities are not endless and too many people sharing limited opportunities is not going to rise the GDP. But will surely affect it adversely.

Blues, higher female mortality due to child birth is not the reason for less grandmas.. :lol: My biology is even worse than math, but grandmas are not affected by childbirth. Humor apart, if you notice the difference is kinda the same (across gender) for all age groups for India. So female mortality is a point - but reasons could be several. Hopefully nothing sinister (like female infanticides or anything like that).

Vasan
yes, India is the only country from ur list with a consistent male domination across all the age groups ;)

The >65yr stuff may be to do with guys bad habits in Indi(bad quality too)...

Added later: Oops, still that hang over ;) I meant the bad habits of women...

anainar
03-24-2004, 04:56 AM
Hmm! those are all going to change Blue in India over time. Female Infanticide is on the decline. There is no proof better than the ratio in 0-14 years percentage. Male are 51.5% while women are the rest. The percentage difference is much higher in the 15-65 age group. So, it is looking good for India.

Opportunities will come vasan. We are hitting a purple patch with our competency which is service. While US made it big by technology, China by manufacturing, India is going to be doing so in service sector. So, I am very positive about India

Mortality rates at delivery were very high earlier but it has come down drastically in the recent past. But I dont understand the male domination fund of Gokul. We are doing good ratiowise Gokul. Male domination is worldwide problem, not only for India.

Cheers

vasan
03-24-2004, 05:00 AM
and what with certain states in India having only 7 females for every 10 males.....I would say Infanticide plays quite a role in the demographic distribution of India...
The reason why I had included China was tht China with the one child policy ...laso had quite a high rate of female infanticide at one point, although Male population is higher in the first 2 stages it hasn't carried on to the last stage...wonder if it's their diet now?


Indeed the geographical thing is very puzzling. Do you know that Kerala is the only state that has more females than males (read it some place..) Could be because the femal infaticide..

About China.. I don't know if my memory serves right, but in general the life expectancy for females is much higher every where. (we could do some math and find out, but its beyond me.. :( Where is anainar when you need him.. :? ) and I think thats the reason why you have more people in the above 65 category.. the guys (who make up the difference) in the earlier stages are all gone for good, if I may use a slang.. :wink: )

If it is the diet, how come only females live and not the guys? I don't think its the diet.. ho..oh.. you think the guys are falling of like autumn leaves because of the women.. :00: :00: wooff.. sounds like a dangerous place to go for spring break.. :D :D

Added Later: (no hangover.. :( ) Sorry.. it seems anainar is HERE.. baby sittingaa sir? :D :D )

gokulan42
03-24-2004, 05:10 AM
I dont understand the male domination fund of Gokul. We are doing good ratiowise Gokul. Male domination is worldwide problem, not only for India.

Cheers
Now, I dont understand either ;)

But, I think the higher male ratio in all the age groups in India is to do with the relative nutrition intake of females and males..... We all know that the boys were treated differently than the gals until recently (I mean rural places and please no offense).

Bluelotus
03-24-2004, 05:17 AM
hmm abt Kerala...isn't it cos loads of men go abroad to work...it's also the state with the highest literacy rate, right?...were education prevails female infanticide seems to diminish...(one of my history teachers even hinted once that there was no better contraceptive method than female education...dunno abt tht one...considering the rate of teenage pregancies in UK)
Life expectancy is higher for females...see we're build of sterner stuff then the average male *just kidding*...

I agree female infanticide will slowly disappear into nothingness....shall take a few more years but it will happen.

China...yeah like everywhere else..men seem to go *poof* and disappear after a certain age...

I was just wondering ...some countries/ religious groups promote polygamy...how do those guys find so many wives?....I mean there doesn't seem to be tht many women around
:think:

vasan
03-24-2004, 05:18 AM
But, I think the higher male ratio in all the age groups in India is to do with the relative nutrition intake of females and males..... We all know that the boys were treated differently than the gals until recently (I mean rural places and please no offense).


The treament is different in the sense that guys are more spoiled and more opportunities are given to them. But I have not seen even one incidence of difference in nutrition intake. Older kids and women if the are mistreated and abused it could be a reason. But food wise all eat the same stuff and not a bit of difference..

But I am only talking about one region in one dist of tamil nadu.. other places.. :) Well.. Goks could be true..

anainar
03-24-2004, 05:32 AM
Vasan,

No more babysitting for another 2 months as my wife and kid are gone to India and will be coming back in June. So, till then "No thanga mani, enjoy". But I miss my son a lot though. :cry: :cry: I bought a new Sony 400 DVD changer and am loading all the DVDs and CDs and labelling them.( so that I can make the hall child safe without any CD racks or free falling objects ). So am going to hit the sack in another 10-15 minutes( It is only 11:20 now ).

Kerala for sure has more women than men. It comes first in literacy rate in India, but their definition of literacy is very fluid. Though they got most literate people, it is still one of the backwards states in southern India. Both men and women believe in Govt jobs of blue collar jobs in Gulf. Their diets are very nutritious, unlike sambar saatham of Tamilnadu. And women enjoy a lot of freedom even in rural places. That is one of the prime reasons for their low mortality rates.

You hit the right spot with polygamy. I am not sure whether we have any reliable census data from those countries. For sure they seem to manage 2-3 wives and more than 7-8 children. Where do the women come from? But moderates of that particular community advocate as well as practice monogamy. Probably some day truth will dawn on them.

Cheers

gokulan42
03-24-2004, 05:33 AM
I heard a 'story' that only boys get egg & nonveg from mommy and ladies are left with the leftovers in a particular poor village..... sounded true

arul81
03-24-2004, 01:12 PM
I heard a 'story' that only boys get egg & nonveg from mommy and ladies are left with the leftovers in a particular poor village..... sounded true

It's 100% true. I have seen such things in my native village when i was a child. But nowadays i didn't think so there is inequality in food and all.