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    Now silican and madhu_aish1 will explain the merits and de-merits in studying in USA.!!!

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    DeMerits:

    1) When u dont have financial-aid, u need to do all sort of jobs..


    2) This is not a place where u get a Career by ur skills/strength. U need contacts/references. Many people think im joking..trust me...even for getting an internship u need to know someone in the company (most of the time,not always) And in ths aspect,India is far much better.

    3) U cant survive if u just keep studying the same way u used 2 do in India, reading some essay questions just the day before the exam and managing 2 get 45. thts impossible here. Assignments,Exams,take-homes,pop-quizz's,Projects,Thesis-paper/reserch..etc,etc...

    Merits:

    U understanding all this..
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    Quote Originally Posted by silican
    DeMerits:

    1) When u dont have financial-aid, u need to do all sort of jobs..


    2) This is not a place where u get a Career by ur skills/strength. U need contacts/references. Many people think im joking..trust me...even for getting an internship u need to know someone in the company (most of the time,not always) And in ths aspect,India is far much better.

    3) U cant survive if u just keep studying the same way u used 2 do in India, reading some essay questions just the day before the exam and managing 2 get 45. thts impossible here. Assignments,Exams,take-homes,pop-quizz's,Projects,Thesis-paper/reserch..etc,etc...

    Merits:

    U understanding all this..
    I, on the other hand, think that these are actually good merits. If I am broke, I am broke and can't get to school in India. I had to live on my parents money. Here, atleast some good bit of alternatives exist. And along with also comes financial freedom !!

    On career.. at least I don't have to worry about caste and language and a whole bunch of worries. Need to know some one is not absolutely essential - only a preferred thing... Most often, the stuff helps in getting your resume in - but not in getting an actual job; at least not in reasonably big companies. In small startups, yes ! Hey, what the heck, if I can't find one particular job, I can always find something similar.. so, not bad...

    Who cares about an exam, where one shot is all allowed? I get to take several smaller exams, and that way, I am in total control of my grades, not depending on vagaries in the exam paper. As a plus, I might also learn something of value...

    What I consider as the biggest draw back is missing home. Well, even in India, if you stay at a hostel and study you would miss. But, here, with additional visa, travel expense and holidays etc, it becomes pretty bad.

    Only a bit of relief exists in the form of friends - real and online ones.. 'Geetham' is a big help, being an extended set of friends and all that...

    Yeah...
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    Quote Originally Posted by silican
    U cant survive if u just keep studying the same way u used 2 do in India, reading some essay questions just the day before the exam and managing 2 get 45. thts impossible here. Assignments,Exams,take-homes,pop-quizz's,Projects,Thesis-paper/reserch..etc,etc
    This is not the case with only US universities. In IITs the procedure is very very hell. Especially in IIT Kanpur so many guys commited suicide due to acedemic pressure.

    But in India all professors will have time to spend with students. Even we can go to their home and take free dinner ( and have a look at their cute daughter and shake hand with her ) and ask the doubts. Some professors works along with Ph.D students for hours together. In IISc so many professors stay in the institute itself for helping their students and for finishing their own out side assignments.

    I am very sure in USA professors won't spend more then 1-2 hours with the the student.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arumugam57
    This is not the case with only US universities. In IITs the procedure is very very hell. Especially in IIT Kanpur so many guys commited suicide due to acedemic pressure.
    Very True...But There are a few IIT's and REC's in India and only a few other univs match such standards..Ask me how to pass a paper in University of madras, I will start a special thread on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silican
    Very True...But There are a few IIT's and REC's in India and only a few other univs match such standards..Ask me how to pass a paper in University of madras, I will start a special thread on that.

    Silican
    Yenbaa, ipdi mottayaa sollitu poitayey ... why dont your start that thread. If you are waiting for someone to ask that question, ithoooo mee askin you:

    How to clear a paper in Univ. of Madras, Chennai without too much academic work/study? It would be better if you can say an answer to:
    How to pass a paper in Univ. of Mdras without studying at all!!!
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    This is not the case with only US universities. In IITs the procedure is very very hell. Especially in IIT Kanpur so many guys commited suicide due to acedemic pressure.
    6 face,
    as an iitian from madras, i'd like to correct with what u said.... more than academic pressure in IIT's, we had peer pressure..... whereas rite now in US, i find more academic pressure than peer pressure.....thats the difference....

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    My personal experience
    Merits-
    Quality --The American higher education is respected all over the world. The training of university students in America, with its vibrancy and ability to keep abreadst of the latest scientific discoveries and technological inventions.

    Disparity - The disparity of knowledge among students is too great. Fairly good knowledge of some subjects and unacceptably poor knowledge of other subjects is the rule at both the collective and individual level; that is, every student has a specific set of subjects known well and subjects hardly known at all. Just because they try to specialise in a particular field generally they neglect the other fields.This is very common in most of the US universities.
    For example an electrical engineer would tend to avoid mechanical design and always says "let's consult a mechanical engineer to make a simple tube".

    Freedom - Freedom in choice of subjects for study along the length of course..That is why students take on subjects they are interested in and avoid subjects they are not interested in..

    Examination - One other merit of American schools and universities lies in the fact that all examinations are taken in written form only, be it examinations taken at some point of a course of study or final examinations at the end of a course. No oral examinations, no oral questioning students of their knowledge of a subject, especially in the presence of other students. This advantage has a negative side to it, which may seem negligible at first sight, but which serious analysis shows to be substantial..


    Industrial affiliation-- The relationship between industries and educational institutes is comparabably better than back in India which allows students to deal with Real Time problems....

    De-merits
    Computer Usage -- Every aspect of education with related with computerss. It is imposible to do anything without computer aid. The education is framed such that to add 1 + 1 you need a calculator which is pathetic to see..


    Cultural Shock--
    It is totally a different society..We have lived a conservative , traditonal life and when we are exposed to liberal open culutre it is shock(I name it as a shock , you can say as what you want.. But i do enjoy it ).. You can explore the world or you might be offended by it.


    Money is the Core -- Every damn thing you do is for money. How do you make money, then more money , then more money ..it keeps growing.

    [highlight=red:6e82ab4cd0]And obviously we miss home sweet home..To cope up geetham family is there[/highlight:6e82ab4cd0]
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    Quote Originally Posted by silican
    Quote Originally Posted by arumugam57
    This is not the case with only US universities. In IITs the procedure is very very hell. Especially in IIT Kanpur so many guys commited suicide due to acedemic pressure.
    Ask me how to pass a paper in University of madras, I will start a special thread on that.
    Silican
    Pass panrathu periya visyam illey. just 50 % eduthaa Pass. But after that?. You just show one guys who is in IIMs , IITs having less then 75%. I have seen guys getting 92% in engineering. I have seen so many colleges in tamilnadu where students does only studying and nothing else.
    Life is very tough yaar. In USA no one will teach you what is the competition. You yourself should go and learn by trial and error and who knows when you are getting brain you might have lost everything and will never get back anything at all.

    In tamilnaadu I have seen 4 th semester guys preparing GRE , TOEFL , GATE , CAT exams . Their teachers (most of them are PhDs) gave all secrets of study , the availble apportunities and above all the competiton level in that time itself.

    I don't think in USA professors are showing that much intrest in uplifting the students life. Is it so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arumugam57
    Pass panrathu periya visyam illey. just 50 % eduthaa Pass. But after that?. You just show one guys who is in IIMs , IITs having less then 75%. I have seen guys getting 92% in engineering. I have seen so many colleges in tamilnadu where students does only studying and nothing else.

    I don't think in USA professors are showing that much intrest in uplifting the students life. Is it so?
    Pass panradhu periya vishayam illaya ?? I think u still think All Univs in India atleast in TN are like IIT's and REC's.. Man come down to face the real truth. Just ask any Madras Univ student how he scores marks in exams. I am not generalising all colleges and Univs..but can bet tht this is the case with most coll/univs. Getting 45 is a big thing. U know about Madras Univ paper correction ?? One of my lecturers used to gofor correction every year. He told us this..On an average a levturer gets just 20 papers/day to correct. He will be payed not more than Rs 5.00 for a paper. So imagine. He gets hardly Rs100/day for correcting. Along with that he would have to travel all the way to the paper evaluation center. And no guarentee that he would get his cup of Chaai (Me told this !! ) With all ths frustration, how can a lecturer oversee a small mistake in a calculation and give grace mark atleast ? Again I make it clear, Im not generalising. Getting 45 is tough for sure. Getting 70s-90's is mostly on luck and 60-70% of the times it depends on the Hand-writing.

    That is the very reason why there are more girls than the boys in the Madras univs who get to the top 20..


    In general Quality of teaching drops down from school then to Indian colleges and the US Univs..


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    May be madras university...
    But come to madurai kamaraj university.. Come to private engineering colleges who wants gold medals to their colleges..Come to REC Trichy , Come to Anna University... Come to trinelveli side... And lot..

    But there is no other way what you told about correction is 100% true. We can't change.

    In USA also if the girl student is allowing the professor to have X with her then she will get good grade then boys. I heared that. What you will say about that?

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    yo.. guys,

    I know the sad story in Madras Univ, Annamalai etc... My younger brother took his exam (math bsc) and out of the 6 papers or so, he wrote a particular year, two of them were scored like under ten marks, and one said absent and two just about passed.

    I know he attended all of them - i know he did well in all of them (good enough to get atleast 70 percent), simply because I coached him, anc checked his answers back when he finished his exams. He was completely heart broken. I thought it must be a mistake, and the university never responded back to his reevaluation apps, and since the time for next year exams were there already he had to apply (and therefore the university won't bother with previous year crap).. It seems several of his class mates also were in the same position.

    Completely crazy stufff.. can't ever figure it out. The reason IIT's and REC's (and anna univ in chennai) work reasonably well is because the papers are set by the same prof who teaches the class and he also corrects the papers. Not much to find fault... and the papers are graded on a curve. Not like the hit or miss in other univs.

    Getting 45 percent and so on is treated as a big deal. Unfortunately the kids don't come out learning a whole lot. Because the emphasis is on getting marks (and cramming stuff in the last minute)... been there and done that.. IITs and REC's are better beacuse you are made to learn stuff from each home work (home works have a good percent of weight on your final grade).

    also, don't compare IITs with US schools... which US school are you talking about? Like there are only about ten iits in india, take the top ten schools in US, they are terrific (and this is out of a population of 1/4th of india's... by law of average shouldn't we have four times as many smart students??).....

    of all the advantages thats talked about, I agree with Madhu's best..
    Opportunities and facilities are unparalled.. !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by arumugam57
    In USA also if the girl student is allowing the professor to have X with her then she will get good grade then boys. I heared that. What you will say about that?
    I totally disagree with this point. Sex has nothing to do with studies. Lets think practical about it. I would say that back in India it works well...
    The prof - student relationship is very weak over here. It all depends on the student what he wants get out of life.

    The one 6face said might happen in high schools but defintely not in universities.

    The culture is different that doesn't mean people lack moral. Please dont look at the way US is been portrayed in the media. You need to experience it to understand it..

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    Madhu.. Kadaisiyaa pyum poyi oru US ponnava kannalam katikaporee..

    Ok app.. aaa

    After 2 years of yourr marige you wife will be a mummy of 3 kids out of which only 1.5 kids will be yours and another 1.5 kids will be some one else.

    Green card vaanga ethai ethai sacrifice pannanumnu oru vivasthaye illiyaa? Adap pavame.
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    Then regrding my statement.. Hi madhu.. don't see the girls of your university. See the girls of UTA , IIT and etc. Chat with some US girls you will come to know lot of things.

    Physical Depth Determines the Marks. Not mental Depth.

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    Arumugam,

    I don't know where you keep hearing such stuff..

    It may happen - but only in some small levels. You can't sleep with your prof and get a good grade. Not easily atleast, and definitely not a prevalent thing here.. There are guidelines even to be friends with your students. People can get sued left and right.. Ofcourse, students do flirt mildly (I have seen it happen) but most profs are either just too old and/or too strict (at least in the engg depts)..

    On the other hand, there were rumors in some of the labs (in my undergrad... mech labs, workshops etc) where some girls got easy experiments because they are girls. The teachers take pity on them and don't give them expts which are physically demanding.. there were other rumors (not the level of sleeping with them and all that, but you know, the teachers being jollu parties, and girls kinda being coy and all .. )...

    boy/girl student/teacher relationships are not all that different... it looks diffrent because culturally it is different. I was a bit shocked to see student throwing their feet on the table, drinking coke and chips, munchin apples and what not.. We should not confuse such things with lack of learning (or disadvantages to learning in US).
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    I am not from our NATIONS PRESTIGIOUS INSTITUTES, from a ordianry College from Hyderabad. For me US education is of HIGHER QUALITY , you can do what you are taught and of course know what's happening around the world and get to know the prespective of people from different countries. I am sure that this is really a good experience.

    And of course at the cost of missing Home Sweet Home.

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    But some things which I have seen happen in USA are below,

    1. Mr.X gambled for $5000 after getting an assistantship
    2. Mr.Y regularly visits Casinos
    3. Not a single friday goes without visiting ____ house
    4. You grow fat
    5. You start learning to spend on unnecessary things

    But if you are under control and have financial assitance then probabaly there is lot more to gain than to loose. Otherwise why do you think we find such large groups of Indians coming to USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by king_143
    But some things which I have seen happen in USA are below,

    1. Mr.X gambled for $5000 after getting an assistantship
    2. Mr.Y regularly visits Casinos
    3. Not a single friday goes without visiting ____ house
    4. You grow fat
    5. You start learning to spend on unnecessary things

    But if you are under control and have financial assitance then probabaly there is lot more to gain than to loose. Otherwise why do you think we find such large groups of Indians coming to USA.
    Sirippa varudhu King...

    These are personality traits - nothing to do with education in US. Many of the people described in your post, probably came to enjoy what ever they enjoy because it may be available more freely here. Why insult the education because of that?
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    I'm Sorry if you have misunderstood the message, I am never said that you would learn gambling( or others) nor it is one of the products.
    It is just to say that you have to be more careful as there is no one ( parents) to control you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arumugam57
    Madhu.. Kadaisiyaa pyum poyi oru US ponnava kannalam katikaporee..

    Ok app.. aaa

    After 2 years of yourr marige you wife will be a mummy of 3 kids out of which only 1.5 kids will be yours and another 1.5 kids will be some one else.

    Green card vaanga ethai ethai sacrifice pannanumnu oru vivasthaye illiyaa? Adap pavame.
    ============================== ========

    Then regrding my statement.. Hi madhu.. don't see the girls of your university. See the girls of UTA , IIT and etc. Chat with some US girls you will come to know lot of things.

    Physical Depth Determines the Marks. Not mental Depth.
    namma oorla ponnungaa palla ilicha lae mark athigamaaaa vangaiduvanga. namma pakaathaaa. yethanai naaal makku ponnunga athiga mark vangurangaaa....Jolls namma oorla jasti paa..

    vettu veedu vasapadi. Think rationally and you find a big difference in this X matter...

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